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PLEASE come and do my tanks LITTLE FISH. PLEASE!

it looks lovely.

if I didn't like you so much I'd really hate you right now! as it is I settle for being green with envy.

my platies don't grow that quick and I can kill java fern.

it really is a lovely tank.

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GFG,

If you buy the ticket and hotel, count me in, I will come and do your tank

All

It is a month ago that I posted the last picture. Not much has happened in terms of changes, but given that I have a new camera I thought I should post some more pictures.

The only changes are:

- trimming of the Ludwigia
- trimming of the Rotala
- reducing the size of the Tenellus group by taking out the perimeter plantlings

Comments and suggestions are welcome as usual,

Ingo

Here is the Tank:

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And from the left

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And from the right

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A Close-Up of the Xmas Moss on the Driftwood (time for a trim)

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The Tenellus group with some Crypt Wendtii on the left

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2 Platy fry searching for food in the Tenellus, that’s where the very young ones hide out until they are too big to be eaten

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A male Sunset (Sunburst) Platy eating at the surface

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And last but not least, a Close-Up of the Xmas Moss, really close

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Tank looks nice, good pics!

My comments:
The moss covered DW is obviously the main focal of the tank so you should build around that. Everything else should compliment it.

1. The cabomba in the right corner behind the DW is about the same color and has a fine-leaved texture like the moss and takes away from it's beauty. Besides will the Cabomba grow well in that dark corner, It will it just be kinda stringy.

2. The stems on the left, look like there just hanging out trying to get into the game. Right now they distract from the moss focal point. They need to be organized in someway.

3. Right behind the Tenellus a trio of branches (If you could acquire them) poking out from behind that bush would look really good.

Just my thoughts. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Very nice tank Little Fish. Clean, crisp, easy to look at. I might have missed this are you using co2, probably not with the low light, what else are you dosing.

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OK, bensaf and gang,

Although I still don’t have a digital camera, I managed to take a regular picture of my tank and
to scan it in. This means that there is no fast way for me to add another one, let’s say from a
different angle or a close-up.

Here are the tank details:

29G All-Glass, gravel mixed with First layer Pure Laterite, 2 X 20W fluorescent lights, Aqua
Clear 50 (former 300) HOB.

At the time of the picture (about 5 weeks ago) the tank was set up for 3 months, currently it hosts
1 adult Platy, 6 Zebra Danios, 8 Neon Tetras, and 9 Platy fry which are sectioned off by the tank
divider that you can see on the left hand side. I curved the divider to isolate the left front corner.

The plants, to the best of my knowledge, are from left to right:

Ludwigia repens (small leaved) within the divider section and behind it
Green wendtii within the divider section
Rotala rotundifolia in the back
Sagittaria subulata (dwarf sag)
{edit: found out that this might actually be Echinodorus tenellus, Pygmy Chain Sword}
in the front and middle
Limnophila sessiliflora(ambulia) and green cabomba in the middle and right back and right front
I think Tonina fluviatilis between the cabomba and the dwarf sag
And, all the way in the right back hand corner, something that was explained to me as a sprout stem
from an Amazon, but without the parent plant (just a few babies on 2 sticks)

I have no particular question about the tank, but I thought I show it here and let you all rant about it

Thanks for all the comments,

Ingo

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OMG! Pro! no comment!

WOW, You did a great job.



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So uh Ingo, you are coming down here when to arrange my 125? I love how that tanks looks
***thinks of her 29 and how bad it looks in comparison***
You definately need to come down and help me clean the tanks up and redecorate and all

Really beautiful tank, and you really can't see the divider too much, but it makes it so nice to keep the fry in, and to keep them safe

When you get the 125 you want, you might want to think about making this a platy tank with some corrieslike some of the flourescent oranges or flourescent greens...Of course C. metaes seem to be quite frisky and would make it ever more interesting, and activeand then I know that they breed quite easily

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Okay your tank is so good.. Its scary

*Thats dude talk for "Your tank rocks!"

*nod* It's nice, shame about the divider.
I'd like to see something reaching the surface somewhere in the tank. The back right hand side seems to be begging to be the higher point of the tank, but behind the driftwood...dont' want that piece hidden too much as it helps counteract the darkness of the background. More height would help hide the visible equipment that's showing now.
Otherwise I like the mix of colors very nicly done .

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WOW!amazing aquascaping!

Thanks everybody for the input, I really appreciate it.

But I have to say that I am a little surprised. I don’t think it’s all that good. Frank mentioned to me in chat that I will see how it evolves over the next couple of months. And he is right – the photo is now almost 6 weeks old and the tank has changed.
I trimmed the Cabomba and it is not growing back as nicely as it was at that point (low light).
I planted some of the Tonina fluviatilis all the way in the front of the tank (some pieces that I had cut off from the original plantings) , and, because there is a rather strong current from left to right, it grows along the bottom and pushes other plants out of the way.
My ambulia is suffering from my Ich medication and turns mostly brown.

But hey, all of this gives me the opportunity to mess with the tank again

And I am still waiting for input from bensaf (where are you?)

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Little_Fish

I will be a little more critical than the above.

To start off with that is an excellent photo which shows off the whole layout of the tank.

You also have a good selection of plants and have not gone for the garden salad (lots of mixed grenery)

I would like to see more height at the sides and certainly at the back, if I am correct one of those front plants RH center/end will get too tall and block out some of your viewing space.

It certainly is a pity with the divider it is rather distracting.

I prefer a black painted back as this will show off your plants better and give the added effect of depth (front -back)

Another thing in designing and some will disagree it is more pleasing to the eye to work from left to right. This is the natural view of site and creates a more natural flow.

The first impression is a 75% wow but with care and time it will have a very big WOW factor meaning I want to stay longer and just look to see what I can find.

Congratulations on doing a very good tank.

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Great aquascaping n your 29, the plant selection is great, and good point about it not looking like a salad (what my 29 looks like LOL)

You should enter it into the aquascaping contest.

The Amazon Nut...

that is very beautiful, and i really like it a lot. i widh mine were that pretty, but all i have is fake plants but starting the process of looking into plants.

i agree with DaFishman, that you should put it into the contest.

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In your first couple of monthss of fish keeping you created that !!!!!

I to think you need more height especially in the R/H corner.

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Hi Ingo,

Sorry I've been away on business and am currently packing my bags for another trip.

I'll be honest here. I don't spend much time in aquascaping forums. Frequently people ask the same question you do and when I finally see the pic it's 2 crypts and a scraggly piece of anacharis. There's realy not much I can say so I keep low.

As I read your post before scrolling down to the picture, I had the usual feeling of dread.

But I needn't have worried what a pleasant surprise Absolutely great job . That's a really fine looking tank, for a first tank it's particularly good. You avoided almost all the beginner pitfalls , it'a damn sight better then my first attempt, I can tell you.

The plants look very healthy, the Tenellus carpet is excellent and the Ludwigia is one of the best looking I've seen. How long have these plants been in ?

My suggestions would be quite minor. I like the triangular composition very muchand actually I wouldn't plant too much on the back or sides to keep this shape (I'll have to disagree with my old mate Keith there). The driftwood placement is very good and accentuates the triangular look.

I do agree with Keith on the background. Plain black would be better for that particular 'scape. The rocky backgrounds are fine but I find they only really work when they are covered with a lot of moss or peelia to give an aged look, but that look only reaaly works with certain types of aquascapes. Your's would look better with a plain black (I have to agree with my old mate Keith there ).

The divider is a real shame and really messes things up. Getting rid of it would be a 300% improvement.

I noticed some of the stem plants are planted to the front, which is ok but a few small crypts or Anubias or even a rock to hide where the stems go into the substrate would help.

Apart from that, as Alex mentioned, something of medium size in the front right corner to
a) Fill out that section
b) provide some contrast to the fines leaved plants there.
c)to contrast and highlight the beautiful tennellus field.

Something dark green with bigger leaves - crypts or anubias would be perfect.

Lastly something long very thin and grassy in the back right hand corner will really show off the wood. I've started using a couple of new plants that would be perfect there, Vallisnera Natans or Nana, it's an incredibly thin Val , very grassy looking and because it's so thin it doesn't shade other plants. It gives an instant natural look, very very easy to grow. Something like Narrow leaf Java Fern would also work - anything very thin and grassy.

Congratulations on a really great job, can't wait to see how this progresses.

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Ok, here is a tank update:

I started to mess with the tank last weekend. My cabomba and ambulia did not do to well with only 1.3wpg, in particular after I had to trim them. Also, I was finally able to remove my tank divider as the baby platys are now big enough for the main tank.

What I did so far:

- I removed most of the cabomba and ambulia and replanted the remaining ones to the right front section.
- I replanted the taller Heteranthera zosterifolia (Star Grass) to the back, from the middle all the way around the right side. It will take a while until it is tall enough to fill up the empty space over the driftwood. Small shoots that I had planted (didn&#8217;t want to throw them out) in my Echinodorus tenellus (Pygmy Chain Sword) had started to take over the section, so I replanted them into the front of the driftwood.
- I removed the sprout stem (Amazon Sword) that I had in the right back hand corner. It did not grow ever since I acquired it (over 2 months ago), except for its water based roots. As a matter of fact, the substrate roots were small and did not really anchor the plant.

What I still intend to do:

- I was going to buy some java moss for the driftwood, but there seems to be a shortage of it at my LFS. I will have to wait until they have a nice batch.
- I will replant the Ludwigia Repens so that the tallest ones are in the back left.
- I will try to divide the Green wendtii into 2 plants and place them in front of the Ludwigia section

Last but not least, here is a picture of the current status, and, as usual, comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

Ingo

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Much Improved little fish!
Shame the thermometer was left in &gt;.&lt; Once those plants hide the filter parts it'll be quite nice indeed! This pic shows off the background much nicer, I do hope you're planning on keeping some of it showing in the final scape

How appropriate that my 5Kth should be in aquascaping .

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Very nice Ingo
And it's nice to be able to see the babies out swimming around and enjoying themselves so well in the tank they have only been able to see from a cornerVery nice, I'm so jealous:%)

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I performed the second part of my replanting job, but not without unexpected issues along the way. My Heteranthera zosterifolia (Star Grass) that I planted in the back middle almost completely died while I was away for 3 days. I must have planted it way to dense, and given my low light of 1.3 wpg, no light was reaching the lower parts at all. Bummer!

What I did this time:

- I removed almost all the Star Grass and replanted a few in the middle of the tank, right behind the Pygmy Chain Sword. I hope it will grow back in a while. Some I left on the right back and side because it seems to get enough light there and it is not to densely planted.
- I replanted the Ambulia to the middle back and added some Sagittaria Subulata in front of it to fill the vacuum that was present in the middle.
- I replanted my Ludwigia Repens on the left side of the tank with the tallest in the back. I had to cut one of them because it was too tall by now, hopefully the remainder and the newly set top part will develop nicely.
- I divided the Green Wendtii into 5 pieces that I then planted in front of the Ludwigia.
- I added a few stones that I found this weekend to the left side and to the front right next to the driftwood.
- Last but not least, I ordered a 65W Compact Fluorescent Light fixture that should arrive in a few days. This should give me then a little more that 2 wpg (2.24 to be more precise) and hopefully enough for my current plant selection.

So gang, what do you think?

Any input is much appreciated.

Ingo

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Okay it may not have been intended, but what drew my eye (and design comment) is the play between the round grouping of riverstones and the round(ish) bit of foreground plants to the right of them.
If it wasn't intended I'd work on leaving it...don't let the plants get any bigger than they already are (I might even thin the grouping out a bit more). Rocks, because they're heavy, need fewer to gain the "weight" of the plants. Just like the play between the weight of text and images in graphic design.

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What is the plant right in the front center, the bushy
bright green grassy one?


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That is my Echinodorus tenellus (Pygmy Chain Sword)

It is actually not one plant, but many of them (I guess about 15 to 20) that spread out so nicely that they form a solid ground cover. I originally bought 2 potted plants and after taking them out of the pots and dividing them I was able to plant 8. They started to create runners within a week or so. Also, they proof to be rather hardy as I have re-positioned them at least 2 times within the first month until I was happy with the tank layout (out - plastic ornament, in &#8211; driftwood).

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Here is a detail view:

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Really beautiful plants!
Really beautiful tank too.
keep up the good work!


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Your tank is getting better everytime you make changes..
I think once all the plants in the back and also the right side all hit the surface of the tank it's going to look even better The pygmy sword is filling in really nice too.

ps - I'm real jealous of this tank darn !


The Amazon Nut...

Almost 2 weeks have passed since the last full tank picture above (July 25th). What has happened since then?

Well, first of all, I got a new and stronger light for the tank on July 29th; I have now a 65w 6,700K Power Compact that gives me about 2.25 wpg. The astonishment when I started the light for the first time can be read Here.

This morning, I replaced the rock background with the deep-sea blue one. I think it looks better, what do you think?

For the growth that has been achieved since adding the light, I would like to point your attention to the Ambulia in the middle background, in particular the right one of the two. I have never seen them get so bushy.
In addition I already had to prune 2 of my Ludwigia Repens stems as they reached the surface, the next one is about to do the same.

Excuse me if my tank gets a little messy now, I want to throw out as little as I can as I hope to utilize some of the plants in the 125G that hopefully will get on the way soon.
Also, because of the 6,700K light, the tank appears much greener as in the previous pics and I haven&#8217;t figured out the perfect color correction for the camera yet.

Please provide input and suggestions,

Ingo

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And here is a close-up of the Ambulia.

Ingo

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That is growing in so nicely And I won't mention how much your platy fry have grown, with the neons swimming all about...wish I could convince my tanks to look as nice, someday maybe

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thats my only coment

Ingo,

Super healthy looking Ambulia. The Rotala looks very good too.

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All,

Thank you so much for your compliments; let&#8217;s keep our fingers crossed that all will stay that nice. I will for sure add more pictures and info to this thread when something changes (hopefully not an algae outbreak ).

Tetra - I don&#8217;t really have low light, 2.25wpg can be considered medium. Maybe you saw the technical info at the beginning of this thread but my light has changed since then (see bottom of first page).

No, I am not using CO2 (or should I say &#8220;not yet&#8221; as the idea is very seductive).

I add various products of the Seachem Flourish line. I use Flourish, Flourish Excel, Flourish Nitrogen, Flourish Potassium, and Flourish Iron. I have not yet figured out a particular &#8220;feeding&#8221; pattern and still experiment via trial and error on how much of what and when to add. I recently looked at my LFS for Flourish Phosphorus but it scares me a little. They didn&#8217;t have it but I read the instructions on Kent&#8217;s equivalent product. Supposedly it&#8217;s concentration in the water should be a 10th of the Nitrate concentration and it seems like I would have trouble dosing it appropriately.

On the other hand, Tryst made me aware of a cheaper line of products from Greg Watson as can be seen in [link=This Link]http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/forums/Planted%20Aquaria/62580.html" style="COLOR: #ff6633[/link].


Thank you all again, I always welcome any good ideas that you may have,

Ingo

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