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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | I have never gone with live plants and have recently decided to go that route. My problem is that I have hard well water 35.8 ppm KH, 286.4 ppm GH. While my fish are acclimated to this I need to get plants that will make it. I can provide 1 watt per gallon of light. My tank is a 29 gal. bowfront. The plants I am thinking about are. Foreground: Anubias Nana Micro Sword Midground: ? Background: Anacharis Melon Sword Any suggestions on good starter plants other than what I have here or for the midground? I basically need some good beginner plants that will not dissapoint, are low maintenance and will make it with low light and hard water. Thanks! ![]() "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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mattyboombatty![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 ![]() ![]() ![]() | The usual suspects for low lighting include anubias species, java fern, java moss, anacharis, and crypts. Those will adapt ok to hard water, mine's pretty hard too. 1wpg is pretty low lighting, especially for a bow front, those tanks are taller than standard. The microsword won't make it, and you shouldn't have any sword plant other than E. tenellus(which needs 2wpg) in a tank that size, unless you just want a sword plant in your tank they are all monsters. You can also look at tropica and do the advanced search for low light plants. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
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DaMossMan![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fish Guru Piranha Bait Posts: 2511 Kudos: 2117 Votes: 359 Registered: 16-Nov-2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Congrats on wanting to make the jump to planted tanks ! Micro and melon swords need more light. (I have a 'red special' sword doing very well in 1.5 wpg, maybe that would be worth a shot in 1wpg) My first plant tank was a 29g with 1wpg, and the limiting factor was the tank height. 18 inch which meant leggy growth on stem plants. A homemade reflector for your lights will help a bit more of your light get down to the substrate. 3 methods are foil, flat white paint, and the best is Mylar (look inside large chip bags and anti-static packaging for computer parts). Hydroponics stores have more expensive reflectors, and may also have mylar sheeting. Easy & low maintenance plants - Java ferns, mosses, anubias, crypts, najas grass, asian ambulia, vals. I'd recommend hornwort but it tends to shed needle-like leaves. There are many different species of crypts to choose from, and a few varieties of mosses and java ferns. Anacharis (kind of a group nickname for the many elodia and egeria species) should also do ok but it will be alot thinner growth after awhile then what you see in their profiles online. It would still be worth using as an initial stem plant as it's a fast grower that absorbs excess nutrients and is also a good oxegenator. The most common are Elodia Densa and Egeria najas. Either one would be ok, and you can float it to create more branches quickly, which can then be planted as separate plants. Hope that helped ![]() The Amazon Nut... |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | Thank you for the quick reply Guys! Damossman, by home made reflector, do you mean a reflective background or a reflector up behind the light tubes? Sorry, that may sound like a dumb question. Thank you! Matt, the link to Tropica did not work, but I will search for it and do some research at that site as well, Thanks! "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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mattyboombatty![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Ok, I think I fixed the link. Try it out again ![]() Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | Thanks Matt that worked. Another question for you and Damossman, What kind of substrate should I use? I have very small natural creek bed gravel about 2" deep at this time. Should I place some Eco-complete underneath that? Will this effect my Ph or my fish? "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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mattyboombatty![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 ![]() ![]() ![]() | With low light plants you might get a little benefit from a planted tank substrate, and it won't alter the water chemistry. Personally, unless I had the stuff already, I'd just make sure I had 3" of pea sized gravel. No real need to spend more money on the good stuff until you get some more light and plants that will benefit from it IMO. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
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FRANK![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Posts: 5108 Kudos: 5263 Votes: 1690 Registered: 28-Dec-2002 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hi, My only comments are that with a planted tank, you would want the substrate, whatever it is, to be about 3-4 inches deep. You could have it level across the tank at 3 or you could have the back raised to 4 inches and sloped down to two. The plants with the larger root system would go in the back and forground plants with lesser root systems in the front. As to gravel size, the individual grain size should ideally be a #2 or #3 size. That is roughly the size of a "petite" sweet pea sold in grocery stores. The regular "pea" size is much larger and can cause problems with accumulation of detritus between grains. Frank ![]() -->>> The Confidence of Amateurs, is the Envy of Professionals <<<-- |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | I was kinda hoping you guys would say to skip the eco-complete. That will be easier on my pocketbook. I have a hard time convincing the wife my tanks need stuff sometimes. ![]() These are the plants I have decided to try first. Foreground: Anubias Nana Mid-ground: Cryptocorne Background: Anacharis I figure to buy 2 of each to start and That way if both die of one species I can assume they will not work in my tank. What do you think? "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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FRANK![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Posts: 5108 Kudos: 5263 Votes: 1690 Registered: 28-Dec-2002 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hi, Generally, the idea is to redirect the light down into the tank. To do that we do things like painting the inside of the hood with glossy white paint, or lining the inside of the hood with aluminum foil with the shiny side facing the water, or by installing a highly polished aluminum reflector between the bulb and the plastic hood. All are designed to redirect as much light as possible down into the tank. Frank ![]() -->>> The Confidence of Amateurs, is the Envy of Professionals <<<-- |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | That is what I thought. The reason I asked is because I have seen people place a reflective background on the rear of their tank. I think it looks horrible myself, but thought maybe that is a method of getting more light into the tank. Thanks for answering my seemingly stupid question. "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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FRANK![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Posts: 5108 Kudos: 5263 Votes: 1690 Registered: 28-Dec-2002 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hi, As the old cliché goes, There is no such thing as a stupid question. As far as placing a reflective surface on the back or sides of a tank, it is not a good idea. Fish need to "feel" secure and if they see their reflection or glaring light from the sides as well as the top (where nature put the sun) then they tend to be more nervous and spend more time hiding. Sometimes folks will put a mirror on a part of the tank to encourage their male Betta to flare and pose for pictures, but rarely do experianced aquarists do something like that full time. Frank ![]() -->>> The Confidence of Amateurs, is the Envy of Professionals <<<-- |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | Thanks Frank, I allways wondered why someone would use that background. They still sell it at my LFS. They sell alot of Bettas there so maybe that is why. Thank you for your help and answering my stupid questions. I am just a worn out Army Grunt. We need you Navy guys to school us every now and then! ![]() "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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DaMossMan![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fish Guru Piranha Bait Posts: 2511 Kudos: 2117 Votes: 359 Registered: 16-Nov-2003 ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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Kunzman96![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hobbyist Posts: 144 Kudos: 91 Votes: 115 Registered: 29-Oct-2006 ![]() ![]() | Mossman, thanks anyways! Enjoy your dinner. In fact thank you everyone! I will purchase my plants and give it a shot. Believe me you will know if I have any problems. ![]() "Talk is cheap. Action can be almost as affordable" |
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