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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here is a shot of the anubia, when out of the tank tonight. I tried the excel on the wood, so I hope the algae doesn't come back. The anubia is actually two rhizome. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | New Update. I treated the wood with excel to combat the fluffy algae. I thought I was careful not to get any excel on the leaves of the anubia, but I must not have been as careful as I thought. Several leaves on this previously perfect plant have been damaged. Will they recover, or should I just remove them? ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here is the full tank shot for this week. Nothing much changed. This is a very easy tank. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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LITTLE_FISH![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 ![]() ![]() | Grrrr, I hope I didn't give you bad advice, Robyn. If the leaves are getting thin and loose matter between the veins then they probably will be done sooner or later (later, most likely). If the look is unpleasant to you then you can cut off the leave, plus stem as far down as possible, but don't hurt the rhizome. Anubias trimmed in that fashion usually are incouraged to grow new leaves faster. In any case, did the fluff go away? Ingo ![]() |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I hope I didn't give you bad advice, RobynNot at all LF. I knew it was important not to get any on the leaves. As I say, I must not have been careful enough. I think some must have dripped there by accident. The fluffy stuff has greatly reduced - it was just one small spot tonight, instead of all over this piece of wood. However, I did not want to play around with the excel again for now. I will leave the leaf trimming for one more week, but will probably do it next week at water change. It does spoil the look, but there are several leaves that are damaged, so not yet sure I want to cut them all off. I will think about it during the week. Cheers TW |
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LITTLE_FISH![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 ![]() ![]() | Robyn, You may not have dripped Excel on the leaves (except if you do know that you did so). Instead, the soaked wood with excel may have released it once the plant was placed back in the water and then the high concentration in that area could have damaged the leaves. Ingo ![]() |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Ok, makes sense. Thanks LF Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here is a shot of the tank showing a new cheap UV sterilizer I'm trialling. It's an internal unit on the back wall of the tank, near the heater. I had to cut quite a few leaves off my nice anubia & it doesn't look as nice as it used to, but I hope it comes back. ![]() Cheers TW |
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Wingsdlc![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 ![]() ![]() | I had to cut quite a few leaves off my nice anubia & it doesn't look as nice as it used to, but I hope it comes back.Anubias is one of thoughs plants that some people (tetra) don't even think is real. I am sure it will come back for you. I have taken quite a few leaves off mine without out any problems. Plants look pretty healthy in there! 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
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LITTLE_FISH![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 ![]() ![]() | Wow Robyn, Seems all is growing rather well. It may be reaching a stage soon where the tank may become to green of the same shade, maybe you can add some other color to it, like a brown Wendtii. The UV is quite a chunker ![]() Ingo ![]() |
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mattyboombatty![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 ![]() ![]() ![]() | That's the kind of unit I'd put in there only if things weren't going so well. It's definitely distracting from your nice layout. Hopefully it serves it's purpose though. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I know, it's unsightly. But if you have visited my 23.G log, you will see that I have found it impossible to install my other UV (the one I was going to set up with the pump). As if I didn't need another reason to be unhappy with these total package tanks. It did not allow me the openings I need to get the tubing to & from the UV. Also, when I encased the pump in a sponge, it was just as bulky & ugly anyway. So, I am trying this crappy looking cheaper unit. That's the kind of unit I'd put in there only if things weren't going so wellWell, this is the tank that previously housed the cac's that died (they died around the same time as bitaeniata). No trouble ever with any other fish that have lived in there. Again, due to the limited places where I can pass leads in & out of this tank - it needs to be on left hand side of the tank. It can't go any further to the left though, as the power head & intake tube are in the way. So I seem to be stuck with it there, as unsightly as it is. Maybe I will have to plant some stems in front of it - but it needs easy access. It has a little slot where there is a sponge & you need to rinse this sponge out fairly regularly. soon where the tank may become to green of the same shadeI know. I think I can help that a bit by trimming down the creeping wisteria, which will then show more of the dark wood behind with the annubia. There is a brown crypt of some sort behind the wisteria, but hidden at the moment. They never seem to do very well for me though. No pics tonight, but next water change when I trim down the wisteria, I'll try to get a shot & maybe you can ID them for me. Cheers TW |
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Dr. Bonke![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moderator Posts: 367 Kudos: 215 Votes: 36 Registered: 15-Apr-2004 ![]() ![]() | As if I didn't need another reason to be unhappy with these total package tanks I know the problems with that, Robyn, I've run into issues with the hood of my own tank as well. Ever since I installled the new lights, the tank has been seriously over heating. I drilled some holes in the top and installed some fans, but that's just temporary. Right now I've just about had it with the thing and am designing a new hood for the tank, I should have the materials this week. Maybe that's something your should think about as well. A custom hood will allow you to put through as many hoses as you like. |
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MoFish![]() Hobbyist Posts: 148 Kudos: 40 Registered: 15-Mar-2006 ![]() ![]() | Hello TankWatcher, I have been following this log recently and I had a quick question for you. What is your precise wpg? I am doing wisteria in my 20g as well, and yours looks very nice and full; I just want to make sure I am giving them enough light ![]() ~Morgan PS: I might be starting up a log here, soon! ~Morgan~ |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Hi Dr Bonke, thanks for popping in ![]() Hi MoFish, thanks for the response. This tank is a low tech, low light, no C02 (other than Excel). It has 2 x 11W, which works out at (1.1 wpg). This limits me in in what I can grow, but the wisteria does really well in there. Another thing that helps is to have a good & sufficiently thick substrate for the plants. I am using ADA, but there are lots of other goods planted tank substrates out there. Lot of people here use eco-complete & I've only ever heard good things. You don't have to rinse either the ADA or eco substrates, but some other like flourite you have to rinse before using them. ADA & eco are complete substrates, but others are a fertilizer ba Here is a calculator to help you work out how much gravel you need, as it really helps to have deep bed. http://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html Look forward to reading your log in the future. Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've trimmed back all the wisteria quite a bit, so that more of the red rock & driftwood show up. Like my other non C02 tank, I am having some algae issues. I'm sure it has more to do with me not getting the ferts right. I think some more trimming on the right side is need, to expose even more rock. I have some spare Java ferns harvested for the 43G, so I might plant some right at the back to hide the heater & UV a bit better. LF, if you see this, think you suggested a brown Wendtii (spelling). I think I have one, or is it just a plain brown crypt. Look behind the anubia & just to the right. See the brown leaf. Is that likely to be Wendtii? Here is a full tank shot. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here's a shot of my "other" nigerian male. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | and the best shot I could get of the female. She spends a lot of time hiding, as the male has decided he does not like her. They got on well, until she became sick. It's like he decided she is sickly & hasn't forgiven her for being less than perfect, even though she now seems perfectly well. For more than 2 weeks, I thought she was going to die. Gasping, not feeding or moving. She was just laying on the gravel & panting. Each day, I expected to find her dead. As well as the gasping, which has always before = dead fish pretty quick, I spotted the dreaded thread of a worm hanging out of her anus. Definitely not poo. This is the first time medication has saved one of these fish. I used a different med this time. She is no longer gasping, no sign of worms, comes out to feed & although runs from the male, she does venture out. I am pleased with her, just because she is the miracle fish I was actually able to save. Sad though, that the male is rejecting her. She has a nice purple belly at the moment, so I think she would breed if he would co-operate. She is hard to photograph, as she doesn't tend to stay still & also spends time hiding in dark corners. Not shy of me at all though. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | A rare shot of them together. I think the only reason he wasn't chasing her is 'cause he was distracted by my presence & anticipated that I was about to feed him. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here is a more typical shot. She was hanging out on one side of this rock. He knew she was there, and as is his habit, he was sneaking up on her. When she realised what he was doing, this is a shot of her streaking off to safety. Even though he chases her off, I don't fear for her safety. He never really tries to seriously attack - it is all about the chase. As long as she runs off, he is satisfied to take it no further. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Now here is my anubia that never has quite recovered from the excel treatment. Some leaves are still damaged & the damage seems to have let algae take hold. I was able to clean the algae off last night, but the leaves have lost their glossy glow of previous times. The algae is already returning. I wonder what would happen if I cut back ALL the leaves. Would the plant recover. They are slowing growing though, aren't they? So I would have a bare looking piece of wood for quite some time, wouldn't I? ![]() Cheers TW |
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LITTLE_FISH![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 ![]() ![]() | Robyn, First off, it seems like the plant you mentioned is indeed a Wendtii, or something really close to it. Wendtiis are pretty common and in our neck of the woods the most of all crypts that are sold in stores. About the chasing: If they are anything like the common apisto species then the male needs a territory of about 3 square feet (at least). It may be that the footprint of your tank is too small and as such she is always intruding on him. Once the pair settled and he figured out the tank he started to become posessive. One test would be to re-arrange the tank quite a bit (I wouldn't do it though, all seems right currently so why mess with it). This, at least for a short time, should make him more friendly as he will have to start anew with his realm. Ingo ![]() |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I have swapped the males between this tank & the 43.5G, to see if this guy can be tempted by the female. At the very least, her life seems to be happier, as this male is much less aggressive and does not chase her away (so far). I am always trying, without success to show how beautiful these nigerian red's are. The pictures can never capture how much prettier they are than their cousin, the krib. Here are 2 feeble attempts to share their beauty. ![]() Together - well, kinda Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | This is very blurry, but I hope you see the flashes of pink, sky blue, and yellows. In real life, the iridescent sky blue (between her pink belly & yellow throat) is just such a vivid colour. She is really a beautiful fish (by far the prettiest dwarf cichlid I have owned or seen in real life) & I hope she can tempt her new male. She tries very hard to do so. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | The wisteria has been removed from the right hand side of the tank (other than the creeping wisteria across the front). Java fern has been transferred across from the 43.5G. Doesn't show here so well, but my crypts are now more easily seen. They are to the left & right of the anubia. The anubia just will not recover from the mishap with the excel, but I still can't bring myself to cut off all the leaves. Still, it may come to that eventually. I think that eventually the wisteria in the left rear corner will go also. Probably replaced either by a taller growing anubia or maybe just more java fern, as they are so easy. Any suggestions? Remember this is a low light, low tech tank - so suggestions need to suit that criteria. I really should wait till nightfall, as I can't stop glare from the opposite window interfering with the full shot, but here we go anyway. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Anyone who saw my previous pics, will tell at a glance this is not my work. I found it on Practical Fishkeeping magazine site, so I hope it is okay to show here. This is definitely the same fish type as my girl, that I have been trying unsuccessfully to picture. The colours in mine are more vibrant & my girl has more spotting on her tail & fins - but the actual placement of colour sequence (the yellow, sky blue & pink) - that colour placement on her body is identical. The stripe on mine is also darker (read brighter). She is my prettiest female cichlid I have ever owned. Still, she can't seem to attract her male. She is onto the 2nd male now & still no action. ![]() If anyone's interested, here is a link to an article (& the original pic) http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=495 ![]() Copyright © Practical Fishkeeping Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Another change to this plant. I have removed all stem plants and now only have the low, creeping wisteria, crypt, java ferns & anubias. See 2 posts back for the previous look. There is also several new caves (formed out of new driftwood). Here is the tank today. Ignore the ugly UV filter pls. It is a little bit of a jungle, but it should be easier care. The main goal was to make lots of hiding places for the nigerian reds and more places for them to lay eggs (if only they'd oblige). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | There are 2 new plants, one large anubia at the rear, but also this nana - pictured below. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here is a shot of the other nana, the one I damaged with the excel incident. I cut off most of the damaged leaves (maybe one or 2 more still need to go). All in all, it looks better after the cut off. ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | a couple of side views follow ![]() Cheers TW |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | another ![]() Cheers TW |
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slickrb![]() ![]() Enthusiast Go Gators! Posts: 238 Kudos: 47 Votes: 99 Registered: 19-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() | Robyn, Looking good. The new layout make the tank look bigger. These are pretty much the plants that are in my 10 Gallon and they don't get to out of control. -Rick Rick See all my pictures at Google Web Albums |
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TW![]() ![]() Fish Master * * *Fish Slave* * * Posts: 1947 Kudos: 278 Votes: 338 Registered: 14-Jan-2006 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Thanks for stopping in Rick and thanks for the comments. That's what I was looking for - plants that don't get out of control, but still provide cover & hiding places for the fish. Cheers TW |
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