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Requires more detail to allow keepers more idea of compatability issues and social problems

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One little spelling error (first line in the third paragraph to to ) but other than that great job!

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I must disagree with you. In the UK, most may be wild caught, but in the US, most are aquaium bred, and even farmed in Florida. I like most of the rest, but cannot approve this due to that part about most being wild caught.

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I agree... At the store where I worked (and other stores around here where I've seen them available), all the individuals sold were captive-bred juveniles. They aren't too rare around here at all.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Weird, although I recognise that this is an easily captive bred species,established as a favourite in this regard perhaps 20 or more years ago, its also a fact that importing of this species is not really protected by any degree by import laws and that economically speaking for most of the international community it remains the case that importing wild caught specimens is still the most economical method of sale, despite the obvious losses that entails. This is not purely an american site either, nor does the US have priority as a marketbase for information stats. Its also not the largest market for this species, not the biggest producer of captive bred specimens, a title currently held by the far east. Suggest that a number of captive breds are private overspill, not the result of large scale breeding attempts. Point was to steer the fishkeeper away from adult imported fish , as age is likely to increase chances of pre-existing partnerships. Captive breds are usually offered as juveniles.Its not a question of rarity but of economics. Stockists may pay a third of the price of captive breds when choosing wild caught specimens, also have personally treated this species for many gastrointestinal ailments, nearly all of which were localised strains of protozoa, consistant with a region of wild collection. This is also a prime target for "rebadging" by less scrupulous dealers eager to make a few extra bucks. Buy em in wild , sell em off as captive raised. It happens all over.

Suggest amendment rather than a straight refusal, as it has behavioural info that will be inportant to potential keepers, or was that not important?

Take a web challenge, look up captive specimens for sale vs import number stats and see how the industry resouces most specimens.

Suggest amendment rather than a straight refusal, as it has behavioural info that will be inportant to potential keepers, or was that not important?

well, basically, either way an amendment or a rejection, either way would be a change. You can always re do it.

economically speaking for most of the international community it remains the case that importing wild caught specimens is still the most economical method of sale, despite the obvious losses that entails

Again, I would have to disagree with you. I have never imported anything that was cheaper economically than buying tank raised fish here. Importing any kind of Africans (rift lake or west or east) here is about 3-5 or more times as expensive as purchasing them locally or from a fish farm in Florida. I understand the difference of the UK, as it is too cold to have fish farms there. But, where they are available, the cost is much cheaper than to import them from the wild. Here in the US wild or f0 fish are always much more expensive. That is why the first f1 and f2 to hit the open market are so expensive as well. Because they are still cheaper than importing wild f0s. There are some other reasons as well, but this is the main reason. I remember when I first brought in the copper danio. I bred them and was selling them for $15 each! I did this for about a year. Why? Because I could. I had waiting lists of people for them. Then, they hit the market everywhere, and now you can get them for about $1.99 each full grown, everywhere. Buffalo Heads at the ACA convention will run you about $1-$3 US each for adolescent fish. An adult true pair may run you upwards of $15 for the pair. I cannot import these guys here for less than $1.50 each (including shipping) and I would have to drive to the airport to pick them up (gas is $3.50 gal and about 6 gals to drive to airport, so about $.50 more per fish box of 50 fish) for a total of $2 per fish, at 1-2 inches. Then come the losses, diseases, etc.

This is not purely an american site either, nor does the US have priority as a marketbase for information stats.

The point has nothing to do with purely or even primarily being any locations site. The point is, we are an international world wide site. And thus, all our information should state facts relating to all the world, not just American or UK, or anywhere else specific for that matter. For this reason, we reject many of the more specific statements by people about; "I know of blah blah blah" or "someone I know does this or that", etc. The statements in the profiles must fit everyone's needs not just American, Australian, UK, East Asia, etc. So all statements in the Profiles of this site must be able to pertain to all that might get these or any other fish. As I stated in my previous post there, "in the UK, most may be wild caught". I did not put this in the profile, nor in any changes to the profiles. If you will notice in this link; http://www.fishprofiles.com/profiles/reviewedit.aspx?id=1067 I made the statement that most I know that breed them, as well as the fish farms I know in Florida, breed them with shells as caves. But, I did not put this in the profile change. In the change, I put that they can be used, and have been seen in the wild using the shells as caves. Again, the profile reads in a general way pertaining to everyone wanting to keep these fish. Not specific to my location and those I know that do it.

As for the web challenge, it would not be conclusive, as you would not see stats listed there for the chain stores that breed their own and order from private wholesalers/fish farmers. As the majority of the fish farms, by way far, do not advertise or report their findings shipping and other stuff to the common public. I only even know of a handfull that you can even view their site, unless you have a tax number and password to do so. There is just too many varients and numbers that you cannot see.

Hope this helps understand more why I rejected it.

And, if you find any profiles that you think are too specific to generalized areas of the world, and not to the rest of the world, please feel free to do a change to it. I know there are more out there that have slipped by. But there are too many to keep a constant check on all of them.

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oh awriiight. lol I'll edit and resubmit.

I also forgot to add the cost of customs and the custom agent to get them through in a timely manner, lol.

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yeah I guess its different market forces at work, in the uk wild are cheap and captives are expensive, was looking at the order forms at work the other day, and we seem to work on a completely reverse system to the us. Uk people with the exception of the common species seem more prepared to pay higher prices than US folks for fish with proven aquarium tested bloodlines, thats also why we get some cool fish that nobodys ever heard of at bargain prices. Fishy mass production apart from goldies and koi is also pretty rare in the UK, and well maybe its like everything else, your cd's cars, and booze are cheaper too. We are victims of our own trade rules and status. We generally pay more for fish, with no apparent reason. Our tax of cigarettes and fuel is about 500%, but there aint much on fish. Most fish to us are imported,so the tax levels out and the only market force after that is the price the wholesaler charges. Expensive european and asian wholesaler/breeders charge us money, the third world countries and wild collections by contrast,change a pittance. We should have more home grown.

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based on the professional discussion earlier in this update.

Ingo

Arrrrr, I am an idiot, I meant to reject, darn. That's what happens when the wife talks to you at the same time.
I guess this cannot be corrected, or can it

Ingo

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Before you criticize someone walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

lol ingo, yeah can anyone seeing this reject this edit, as I already did a better edit that has already gone through.

Go on, click that reject button, you know you want to.

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yessir

But only cause you asked so nicely

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