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black moors can thrive in a wide range of water temp (65-80) they are most commonly thought of as cold water fish because they can tolerate very low temps, however they do very well in with my BGK's and I keep the temp right at 75/76 degrees. Everyone is happy in there

Lol, there have been some interesting posts in this thread so far...

To begin with, I find it kind of humorous that it's suggested that we're not giving the "site newbie" the benefit of the doubt...

In reality, vic, the first responder stated,

You cant have 2 BGK's togerther in a 55 gallon tank.

1 is the minimum number of BGKs that can be in a 55g tank, because they use "sonar" to see, and they have very minimal electricity which they use.

Having 2 in the tank interfered with each other.

They will usually fight to the death.
Also, drs foster and smith are usually right on things, like clown loaches can be kept in a 55g tank.

In my opinion, that sure answered the original question of whether the information was correct and addressed the idea of whether he should depend on some other site for information. Anyone who disagrees should probably answer the original quesiton instead of telling everyone else to do so...

As for the singling out of another member by ANYONE in this thread to specifically address them personally, as opposed to just the contents of their post, should be dealt with accordingly. I don't think there has been a single answer given on this thread that was not given in the best interest of the fish that the question involves. No one has addressed the original author's ability to keep fish, experience level, or right to keep fish, so there is no reason for anyone to feel that no one is giving "...a site newbie the benefit of the doubt"...

If Janna's post is actually read, you'll see that she was actually clearing up what she felt was a piece of misinformation given by another member. Hopefully, if I told someone to go ahead and keep their new Oscar in a 10 gallon until he "got too big" (which is a debatable point in time) someone would jump right in and state that Oscars are just too big of a fish for a 10 gallon, period...

Now then, as for the information, is it standard to keep ONE BGK in larger than a 55 gallon? Yes, definitely. As there is no mention of newer conditions being made for him, I'll take the time to recommend that a larger tank be gotten as soon as possible to help encourage their growth to their adult size. Do I keep my BGK in a 55? Yes, and he's huge and I am trying to save up for a bigger tank for him as soon as possible. Has it impeded his size? Not that I've found, so I'm not too concerned, so I'm just saving up...

Should TWO BGK's be kept in a 55? I don't think two should be kept in such a small tank at all because if it's a tight fit for one, all two does is decrease the room of the first one. So I recommend a larger tank for both of them. I also recommend that they not be kept together, but all of these are suggestions in which you canc hoose to follow or not. Hope they help...and I'd use our profiles instead of DFS's, just a personal recommendation though...

PM/email/msg me if you have any questions/comments regarding me or my knowledge or if you want me to read a thread.

Ok, I hate to expose my ignorance to everyone, but what the heck is a BGK? Please do not assume that since most know what you are talking about that everyone does. Those, like I am, who are still in the learning proces, may not understand abbreviations. Help me out please, the suspense is driving me nuts, what's a BGK?

black ghost knifes

here ya go...........




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Sorry we didn't clear it up initially. Normally we just use the abbreviation if the original question included the abbreviation...

PM/email/msg me if you have any questions/comments regarding me or my knowledge or if you want me to read a thread.

I don't anything about BGK fish, although i was quite impressed that i worked out what it stood for! I have seem them at my LFS - one day when i have my own place, and a tank in every room!!

but what are the black moores?

"my ghosts are just fine in my 55 right now and will be until they are almost 10 inches long. they often play with each other and even my small black moores." - militarysnake

you don't mean the little fat black goldfish with the bobbly eyes do you ? cos they can't live happliy with BGK fishcan they?? unless i misread and you keep them in a different tank, maybe i misread the post.... sorry if i did.

if its a new type of fish what does it look like?

I am sadly looking for a new type of fish for the 25G - it would have to be small.


GFG

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Thanks all for the replys. Feel a little stupid, but appreciate the info.

Feel a little stupid, but appreciate the info

Not at all Pug, stupid people DON'T ask questions, that way they never learn
Black moors are goldfish, a cold water fish.
Black Ghost Knives are tropical, the two would be far from good tank mates I would think as well GFG, not only for water temps but feeding as well

I see nothing wrong with keeping 6 in a 55gal AS LONG as you have plans to uprade in the near future

I have kept BGKs for a couple of years now and I still don't consider myself as a "guru" .

I've been playing it by ear all along, not believing the information I've read (to which most of it is totally false too btw) and learning far more by doing it this way.

You can keep multiple BGKs together without harm, I do it myself and seen many others do it as well.
They can fight amongst themselves (as mine have done in the past) but don't really do much damage to each other. But that's just like many other types of fish.

Nocturnal?, mine aren't... they swim all over the tank day and night, they eat day and night and they share their tank with other smaller fish (even feeder fish that I didn't have the heart to feed to our Oscars)that they don't touch... if they're fed enough they will rarely touch other fish.

Shy? I hand feed all my BGKs and they all learnt to feed from my hand after about 2/3 days.

They are as temperamental as any oscar out there and will sulk if they don't get what they want or conditions don't suit them .. ie they're favourite food (mine are now demanding meal worms )

Mine seem to swim in every direction but horizontally

They also give love back like the oscar and are very inquisitive, my first BGK loves getting rubs from me when he's in the mood


Oh, BTW, I think the best kind of research is stuff you do yourself, at least you can trust that, the rest is just a general guide

The main problem with keeping goldies in a tank with trops (beside the temp) is the feeding habits.
Goldfish are notorious "pigs" when it comes to eating and for any other fish to get enough food, they have to be pigs themselves which makes other goldies perfect tank mates.
Food needs to be able to stay on the bottom for a while for the bottom feeders to get enough, not much food is left over ANYWHERE in a tank if there's a decent sized goldfish in there
Another problem would be the diet that a BGK needs is a mostly meaty one which would do the goldfish harm if it got too much of it

Well, thanks for your concern Rusty. I, being somewhat smarter than the average idiot, have taken all of that into consideration. I am very knowledgable of the care needed for all of my fish. In the morning I feed a goldfish flake and the "pigs" pretty much handle that. My ghost's however do eat a little bit of it but not much. After "lights out" I feed a carniverous staple and supplement with frozen brine shrimp. My ghost's are fat and healthy, better than you normally see. Now I understand that BGK's are mostly know as bottom feeders but my guys will eat from the surface too. They are known as nocturnal but my guys are active most of the day also. I am pretty confident that I am taking very good care of all my fish.

Mike

militarysnake, I understand that you are probably getting fustrated that others dont think your fishkeeping style is the greatest. I dont think it warrents any snide remarks though. No one suggested you were an idiot so I dont think theres any reason to try and enflame the thread.

Something you will learn about this site, some people wont agree with you and some will. In the end most will respect you as long as you give them the same level of respect. People are merely commenting and making conversation with you. If you can manage to keep BGK's with goldfish happily then good for you!

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Before you criticize someone walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

If you can manage to keep BGK's with goldfish happily then good for you!

LOL and I agree!
I break the rules in keeping fish that would make some people have a heart attack , but I would never recommend it to anyone because it may not work for others.

And please don't get me wrong about the goldies, I love them! I started fish keeping with the goldies and know how piggy they are, so I meant "pigs" in a good way, like my dog

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that you were a bad fish keeper, that's not what I meant at all, I was just giving advice after keeping both the goldies and BGKs I couldn't see them as good tank mates

Last edited by RustyBlade at 04-Feb-2005 21:36

I made the mistake of putting a goldie in my tank with the tropicals He grew quicker because of the warmer water.I had to end up giving him away because he was always looking for food,knocking the other fish out of the way at feed time.Every single fish in my tank started attacking him because he was like a bull in a china shop.After my experence I personally wouldn't recommend it.

What can I say, I do like to argue and I will always debate a controversial subject (even if I don't know what the heck I'm talking about)

If you knew me, you'd know I am just blowing it out the side of my neck. I don't mean anything snide or rude. I enjoy this site and all the comments and opinions very much so keep them coming. I can surely take it and give it.

Just remember whether your position is defensive or offensive, always attack!!!!!!!!!!

Love you guys, Mike

Debating is fine, just back yourself up with facts and dont make it personal.

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Before you criticize someone walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

I happen to enjoy debating alot, but the key to a good debate is for it not to turn personal...

Just because I don't agree with something someone says doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong...

Just because I prove someone wrong about something, doesn't mean that they're less of a person...

Just because I get proved wrong about something by another person doesn't mean that they're calling me stupid...

Those are important things to remember...

PM/email/msg me if you have any questions/comments regarding me or my knowledge or if you want me to read a thread.

I wasnt jumping down his back, i simply said that you cant have 2 BGK's togerther.

It is the same reason why you shouldnt keep 2 elephant noses in a 55 gallon tank, they interfere with each other, and they will fight to the death. They say that if you keep more than 6 elephant noses togerther though they wolnt fight.

You cant have 2 BGK's togerther in a 55 gallon tank.

1 is the minimum number of BGKs that can be in a 55g tank, because they use "sonar" to see, and they have very minimal electricity which they use.

Having 2 in the tank interfered with each other.

They will usually fight to the death.

Also, drs foster and smith are usually right on things, like clown loaches can be kept in a 55g tank.