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	clown loaches in 75 gallons?
victimizati0n Banned Posts: 1217 Kudos: 1105 Votes: 31 Registered: 29-Apr-2004	alot of times a bigger fish wolnt reach full size. There are expections though, like a Neon, they will reach full size since they are very small. CLown loaches need probably about 2000 gallons to reach FULL size and will get about 11" Also, clown loaches are wild caught, if that is what your asking. They acually drill holes in bamboo and they go in for hiding, and they lift the bamboo and take the loaches out.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
Jason_R_S Moderator Posts: 2811 Kudos: 2421 Votes: 391 Registered: 18-Apr-2001	correct me if i am wrong but don't most larger fish not reach the max size? A fish in the wild and a fish in a tank are two different things you are right about fish in the wild and fish in a tank being different. however, in many cases fish will actually grow larger in a tank than in the wild. this is the case with many cichlids. for instance, several cichlids are mis-represented on fishbase.org. i believe fishbase.org quotes the max size of a species by the largest specimen collected in the wild. I could be wrong about that though. they do however list the max. size of a midas cichlid as 9" when they have been known to grow to 14" or larger in tanks. that's just one example out of many. there are several reasons many fish will actually grow larger. one reason is that there is a constant food source in a tank. in the wild, fish don't have someone that will come along 2-3 times per day to feed them. they take what they can get. in the wild, many fish will go days without eating. another reason for fish growing larger in a tank is the lack of having larger predators around. many fish in the wild will get eaten long before they reach their full size. also, having large predators around could easily cause smaller fish to remain in hiding. this will cause them to be stressed possibly to the point that they stop looking for food. if they go out of their hiding place to look for food they may be eaten. now to clown loaches. as john has said, if a fish doesn't reach it's full size in a tank then it hasn't been cared for properly and has been stunted. ANY fish should be able to reach their full adult size in a tank. that makes it our responsibility as hobbyists to provide adequate space for the fish to grow comfortably, a constant food source so the nutritional needs are met, and pristine water conditions. the biggest advantage that fish have in the wild is constantly clean water. wild fish don't rely on someone to change their water to make sure it's fresh, oxygenated and without harmful chemicals/elements. tank water will never be as clean and pristine as fish have in the wild, but we can and should do the best we can by staying on top of water changes. imo, clowns shouldn't be kept for life in anything smaller than a 125. a 75 would work for several years, but at around 6-8" they should really be given more space. I'd move them out of a 55 at 4-6".
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
Azrael_Darkness Fish Addict Posts: 547 Kudos: 420 Votes: 8 Registered: 26-Oct-2004	if someone could take a picture of a 16 inch clown loach that they have seen first hand that would be great.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
Fallout Moderator Communications Specialist Posts: 6416 Kudos: 4053 Votes: 742 Registered: 29-Jul-2000	75's and 90 gallon standard tanks are only 18 inches wide. Yes, most mass produced tanks by major companies start their 6 footers at 125 gallons. A lot of different sources will tell you many different sizes on the adult clown loach. From my experience, i've only seen a clown loach slightly over 12" in the home aquaria. However, also from my experience, they grow rather slowly, so as mentioned, you should be able to get away with it for a while.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
victimizati0n Banned Posts: 1217 Kudos: 1105 Votes: 31 Registered: 29-Apr-2004	i might be mistaken, but i think the smallest 6' tank is a 120g (125)
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
openwater Fish Addict Posts: 565 Kudos: 551 Votes: 0 Registered: 24-Jul-2004	Isn't the 90 still pushing it. In which I mean most of the ninety gal I have seen are only 18 wide and four inches taller than the 75s. Do they make 90s six foot long?
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
john.stone Banned Posts: 1600 Kudos: 2332 Votes: 18 Registered: 03-Apr-2003	Let's say they do get to be just 12 inches long, this is still too large for a 55g and a 75g which are both 20 inches wide. A 90 or 120g aquarium are 24 inches wide, which is still a close fit, but acceptable. I of course would go for the 120 for swimming room. Forgive me if I actually care about the well being of the fish, it seems like it's becoming more and more taboo around here.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
victimizati0n Banned Posts: 1217 Kudos: 1105 Votes: 31 Registered: 29-Apr-2004	John, dont accuse me of misinforming people. My father has kept clown loaches for over 20 years, and has taught me about them, im sure you have not. Also, i have seen a fullgrown clown loach at 12" which is the size they get in the wild.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
john.stone Banned Posts: 1600 Kudos: 2332 Votes: 18 Registered: 03-Apr-2003	I've seen a clown loach reach 16 inches in a 125g aquarium, don't misinform people vict. Only tell people what you know first hand, and since you don't have/seen a full size clown loach, you can't say exactly how much space they need.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
oz196 Big Fish Posts: 328 Kudos: 119 Votes: 15 Registered: 09-Dec-2002	simple question can i keep clown loaches in a 75 gallon tank? by this i mean for the long run. thanks
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
john.stone Banned Posts: 1600 Kudos: 2332 Votes: 18 Registered: 03-Apr-2003	A fish that doesn't reach the max size in captivity is stunted.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
oz196 Big Fish Posts: 328 Kudos: 119 Votes: 15 Registered: 09-Dec-2002	correct me if i am wrong but don't most larger fish not reach the max size? A fish in the wild and a fish in a tank are two different things
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
victimizati0n Banned Posts: 1217 Kudos: 1105 Votes: 31 Registered: 29-Apr-2004	Clowns are FINE in a 75g. 55 gallon is the minimum for these great fish. They live a long time, and usually get to be 6-8" in the home aquaria. I have 2 that are 15 years old and one is 6" and one is almost pushing 9", so it will vary much.
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
sirbooks Moderator Sociopath Posts: 3875 Kudos: 5164 Votes: 932 Registered: 26-Jul-2004	The Congos, clowns (for a while, they usually reach eight inches in captivity), and cories should all be fine. I don't know about the bala sharks, though. They are pretty active, schooling/shoaling (I'm not sure which), and get to a foot long. I don't think 75 gallons is enough for them. And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
oz196 Big Fish Posts: 328 Kudos: 119 Votes: 15 Registered: 09-Dec-2002	Well I am curently in Iraq now, but will be returning home really soon. While I have been gone for over a year, some of my fish have died, my wife did the best she could. I currently have a few congo tetras, swordtails, a few danios, and some cherry barbs. On the bottom I have corys, 2 bushynosed plecos, 1 clown pleco. I was thinks may be 3 clown loachs, aslong as they are compatable with corys. Since I am on the subject would congo tetras, bala sharks, corys and clown loaches work in 75 gallon? thanks
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
john.stone Banned Posts: 1600 Kudos: 2332 Votes: 18 Registered: 03-Apr-2003	An experienced aquarist... Someone with maybe 5+ years with aquariums could probably keep them in a 75g... However someone with that much experience would also know it was a bad idea... Clown loaches fall into the category of some of the biggest aquarium fish, they get to be 16+ inches long... They really need a 125g to live a long a full life. However a 75g will be plenty for many, many years... I would think it safe to keep them in a 75g for 10 years, but at the most 15, this sounds like a long time, but actually it's only about a 5th of this fish's lifespan. Last edited by john.stone at 17-Dec-2004 17:07
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05
sirbooks Moderator Sociopath Posts: 3875 Kudos: 5164 Votes: 932 Registered: 26-Jul-2004	I think that it is possible to keep a group of clown loaches in a 75, but 90 gallons would be preferable. How many clowns would you want, and with what tankmates? And when he gets to Heaven, to Saint Peter he will tell: "One more Marine reporting, Sir! I've served my time in Hell."
Posted 26-Jan-2006 12:05


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