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My mom just surprised me with a a 32 gallon today. I am very happy. My wish just came a truth. I am very happy. I will be adding 2 angels with my 2 goldfish will thye be fine. And i will get a pleco.

Goldfish are cold water fish that grow to be very large and produce a great deal of waste.
Angelfish are tropical warm water fish that also grow to be fairly large, and can be aggressive toward each other and sometimes even other fish.

Unfortunately, the two types of fish are not compatible, so you probably should not put them together in the same tank. 32 gallons would be perfect for your two goldfish by themselves, though.

As for plecos, there are many, many different kinds, and some of them grow quite large and also produce tons of waste. Many of them are also tropical species, so they would need warmer water than your goldfish as well.
There are a few species of fish that like cold water and can be put with your goldfish, however. Weather loaches are often housed with goldfish, and there are many varieties of hillstream loaches that appreciate the cooler temps that goldfish like, though they like fast moving water. Both of these species stay fairly small (the hillstream loaches shouldn't exceed 3 inches or so, and the weather loaches usually get to be about 6 inches). You have to make sure you have good clean water for these species, though, which can be a challenge when keeping goldfish.

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I think you should choose either the goldfish or the angels...don't keep them together. Like stated above, they need different temperatures and really shouldn't be housed together. The 2 goldfish alone will get pretty large and fill up the tank, there isn't going to be room for 2 angels.

I'd go with either 2 goldfish and a few hillstream loaches or 1-2 angelfish and a school of peaceful fish. You will have to pick one or the other.

*Kristin*

What you want to do will probably not work out very well for the reasons listed above. Exactly what problems you will encounter I don't really know, but I expect we will be finding out, as you tend to do what you have made up your mind to do anyway.

If you have any other ideas what to put in there, please ask............ but remember, if you want to mix cold water fish with tropical fish, I doubt you will ever get anyone on here to say that it will be ok. And several large fish in a 32 gal. will not get approval either. But you can ask anyway. Maybe one of these days you will come up with something people actually approve of. We keep hoping anyway! Keep us posted!
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Oh! Congratulations on the bigger tank! I'm happy for you! I knew you were wanting it.
But with a new tank, comes new decisions. I wish you good luck with it!

Probably i want be getting angel. But i need to get them a pleco. So i should get a heater. ON what tempertaure should i put the temperature.

By pleco, I'm assuming you mean either Glyptoperichthys or Hypostomus species, respectively, which should not be housed in a 30ish gallon tank for over half a year.

No tank needs a pleco.

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If you insist on having a pleco for that new tank, someone once recommended that you get a Bristlenose. If you look them up on this site you will see they need heat anywhere from 59 to 81 degrees. But they may be hard to find where you live.

See what they have at your LFS & then read up on them here to see all their requirements including their temp. requirements & see if it would be sensible to get it or not. But don't forget you have Goldfish in there. I know they are cold water fish but I don't know how high a heat they can tolerate & still be comfortable.

Paul the way you are going sounds exactly like the 10g tank you had over stocked and a mix of wrong fish.

Before you buy any thing for that tank do your research and ask lots of questions and take notice of all the excellent is given.
Either have the Gold fish or tropical.
If you decide tropical you will require.
Substrate, plants, heater, thermometer, filter, air pump and air stone, light, timer, good test kit, and a good variety of foods.

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The tank came with an internal filter. And i added an airstone. Its like a stick and filled with the airstone in other words its a long airstone. I will be getting a thermometer on tuesday with the pleco. I got the light it came with it. I got flake food and bought a food filled with vitamins. They told me it is good for the fish. 10x

Do not buy a common pleco! They get 2-3'(that's feet not inches) in length and will not fit in your tank. That tank is already stocked with the goldfish. It is full. They will grow alot now that they have a bigger tank. Adding a common pleco will give you the same problems you had with the 10g. There will be tons of algae and bad water quality. If those goldfish weren't so darn tough they'd be dead already. If you refuse to listen to people and must get a pleco(really it won't help your tank at all) then stick with the bristlenose plecos. They will at least fit in that tank. Do not get any commons, sailfins, or royal plecos. They are often sold in stores and will definitely get bigger than your tank. You will have all sorts of problems if you try to fit one in a tank that size.

I want get a common pleco. But i need something to eat the algea. I am thinking of a bristlenose pleco. Btw i have and airstone in my tank its like 40 cm long. Should i get a bio wheel or it will be enough

Don't foret that that pleco will need it's own food. Even if you do get algae in that tank it won't be enough to support that pleco. I feed mine sinking shrimp pellets & sinking algae wafers.

Don't forget a test kit if you already don't have one. When you come back on here with problems they will want to know what your readings are before they can advise you on what the problem is & what you should do about it.

I am in no wise advising you to mix cold water & tropical fish together, but since you seem determined sometimes to do things your own way..............

If you go to "search" on this site & type in Goldfish, you will see a bunch of threads come up discussing them............. even ones on what to keep with them. But if you will also notice, the smallest tank that is recommended for them is a 55 gal......... but preferably larger. I know you have heard this before. Maybe when you see them getting too big for that tank you will feel sorry for them not having enough room & find a different home for them. Then there are lots of options for other interesting fish you would like.

I think small chiclids would suit you.............. but then that's opening up a whole different can of worms for you!
Remember............ read up on what you want before you get it! Good luck!

PS- Your long air stone is called a wand.

I want to ask if i need a bio wheel which makes bubble. I have a wand which is 40 cm long will it be enough for my tank or i should add a bio wheel

Ummmmm I don't know anything about bio wheels. I just looked them up on the net though & they don't make bubbles. It's just a wheel that's in or on the filter compartment with something like filter media on it. Colonies of good bacteria grow on it & as the wheel spins it adds more oxygen to the colonies therefore allowing them to live & multiply better & therefore take care of your ammonia better............ I think. This is just what I gather by reading it, I could be wrong, but you can read it for yourself.

If you just want bubbles to create more surface disturbance to bring more oxygen into your tank & have the bubbles help remove some gases from the bottom of your tank water, then I think your wand is good for that.

Now weather your tank could actually benefit very much with the addition of a bio wheel, I would have to leave that answer up to someone who knows about bio wheels.
Any volunteers to answer that question or correct anything I have said?

Biowheels don't make bubbles and most tanks don't need bubbles. A biowheel allows bacteria to grow on it to keep the ammonia and nitrite levels down and because it spins it lifts the bacteria into the air where they can get more oxygen supposedly allowing more bacteria to grow than can normally live on filter media. They can be useful on a heavily stocked tank or one with messy fish like goldfish.
As for the bubbles from wands and stones they are mostly just for looks. They do provide oxygen when your tank has poor filtration but any movement on the surface will increase oxygen levels. Internal filters probably provide the least amount of oxygen since they often don't move the surface of the water at all. If you put on an appropriately sized hob/powerfilter like a biowheel you probably wouldn't need the air wand anymore although it's not doing any harm. I'd probably get a filter sized for a 55g though since you have such messy fish. A Penguin 200 or Emperor 200 filter would work.

U mean the wand will be enough for the oxygen. the filter i am talking about is 7.5 w , qmax 550l/h. It takes the water from the bottom and circulate them and dumb them back. Is it enough or should i get a filter other then it.

The wand will provide oxygen but nothing else. A tank also needs mechanical and biological filtration or everything dies. Most internal filters are not good enough for that so adding a biowheel filter would help keep the tank cleaner and improve the water quality. Adding a filter like that means you don't really need the bubble wand. However if your going to do that I'd go with the next size up filter if you can. Any added filtration will help so if you can't then get that one but with goldfish 200gph is the minimum I'd go if possible which I believe is 757 l/h.

Paul you will not get much algae if you do ever thing correct as you have been advised to do. The Pleco as every one has explained to you is out of the question for that tank size ans its filtration.

You said it came with an internal filter if it was a package deal many of them are just the basic filter. I have always believed to go to the next step up to get a better filtration.
IT sounds like an Air wand that you have They can be good providing the air pump is sufficient for it work well. I have one in my betta tank powered by a good Rena pump.

Bristle Nose are good but I personally prefer the SAE. I have both in the 5ft tank.

Have you decided to go tropical now?

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