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No i will keep on goldfish and i want add anything just i will bring a filter if i need it. With my wand. Do pleco need a heater coz they told me it can live in cold water if yes i want get. I will get a bristlenose pleco.

Ok Paul.............. you were advised not to get a pleco. But if you get one anyway, you are asking............

Do pleco need a heater coz they told me it can live in cold water if yes i want get

If you look 13 posts up, you will see where I already answered that question. I said I looked it up on this site & it lives in 59 to 81 degrees. If your house is colder than 59 degrees, then yes you need a heater. If your house stays over 59 degrees, than you don't need a heater. That's my opinion anyway. If anyone wants to correct me........ go ahead.

If you want to find out about a fish, look under the Fish Profiles logo & you will see the word "profile". Click that & it will lead you to the fish you want to know about.

If you want to know what fish can go with Goldfish, click 'search" & type in Goldfish. Many threads will come up telling about that subject. If you don't understand what I have just said about how to look things up, then just say you don't & I will try to explain it again................ok?

You are confusing us with the two different ways you are using the word "want".
Want means you do want something as in you do want to keep your new tank or you do want to keep your Goldfish.

But you are also using the word want instead of the word won't. Won't means you will not do something.

want = yes I do want something or yes I will do something

Won't = no I do not or no I will not

Hope I'm not confusing you
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Paul...........change of plans...........get a heater & set it for 72. That will take care of the Goldfish & your pleco...........ok?

Common ancistrus are a sub-piedmont species, but still need relatively warm temperatures, say, 73+F. Get a heater.

A new tank, if stocked correctly and maintained correctly, should not have algae. Some new tanks get a break out of diatom brown algae, but it will go away with time. If you have enough light, filtration, aeration, and are not overstocked, it shouldn't last long. Goldfish are messy fish, as are plecos. I would recommend sticking to the stocking plan of 2 goldfish and that is it. I would not add a pleco, as that adds to the bioload of the tank. You don't need a pleco. If you want one, get a Bristlenose and a heater. Make sure you feed it algae wafers every 1-2 days. If you can't find BNs, then I would not get a pleco.

*Kristin*

Paul again you have received excellent advice please listen to all that has been said other wise you again will be asking for HELP about all the problems you have because you will not take the advice you have been given.

If you "want' a Pleco get a BIG tank and I mean 5ft minium

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I have a question about goldfish. Y do they lay down in the bottom of the tank. ONly the big ones. PLz help. Btw i am thinking of changing my stocking but i am not sure. But plz answer the question plz.

Paul, before anyone can answer your question wisely, they need to know certain information. I know you posted in the General Freshwater Forum, but the information needed here is the same information needed in the Hospital Forum. In the Hospital Forum is a post that says, "Is your fish sick? Read this!" I went there & copied it for you below. If you answer these questions, someone will will have a comment about your fish then.

Help us to help you with your sick fish:

When making a post to the hospital forum, you will save valuable time by providing the following to us. Post what you can now then bring the rest back later if you are missing something. Copy and paste the info into your post as a guideline, then edit out what is not needed. based on symptoms, we may ask for more info later.

It is also important for us to know what country you are in so we can recommend medications that are actually available to you.

ENVIRONMENTAL DATA

Water Parameters
There are many things in a fish tank that can cause a fish to appear sick, when natural toxins or water chemistry are not just right.

Ammonia:
Nitrite (note the I):
Nitrate (note the A):
pH:
Temp:

If you do not have one or more of these, please take a bag of water to the fish store and ask them to test it for you. Most will do this for free. If not, try another store. Make sure you write them down so we can review the numbers with you.

Tank Information

Tank Size (gallons and dimensions if known (20 gal long versus regular 20 or 20 gal high):
Stock List (Quantity/Species):
Fish size for larger fish (a 5 inch angel or a 9 inch oscar has a different effect on water parameters than a half-dollar size angle or a 3 inch oscar).
Filtration (ex: Penguin 330, Whisper 40, Fluval 204, etc).

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Additives
Tell us what you add to your tank or replacement water like conditioners to remove chlorine/chloramine, fertilizers for plants, aquarium salt, pH adjusters, etc. Describe for us how often you use and how much.

INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR SICK FISH

Be as descriptive as you can and provide pics, if possible (see the post about how to add pictures at the top of the hospital forum).

We not only need detailed information about what you see ON the fish, we need to know about its behavior. This does not attempt to capture everything, but gives you some ideas on how to present what you are seeing. Dont limit yourself to what is here.

Examples of some physical attributes
Pale, darker, grey fuzz/white fuzz/off-white fuzz, grey slimey film, blue haze, gold dusting, salt grains/spots, blood bordered white area, ulcer, pustule/boil, cloudy eyes, protruding eye, eroding fin, etc.

Examples of some behaviors
Lethargic, rapid breathing, sits on the bottom, hangs out at the top with head down (or head up), darting in a spiral fashion, swimming slowly without orientation, choking, flicking against objects in the tank or gravel
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Also under FAQ I found this further information below:

Before posting for help, please read as much of the FAQs as you can. Really! They will most likely tell you everything you want to know about almost every beginner issue (if they don't answer your question, WE want to know!). Reading them should be your first order of business and is a simple courtesy to the readers of these newsgroups who get tired of reading the same questions from newcomers, over and over.

If the following instructions seem unclear, read the newsgroups for a few weeks (called ``lurking'') and you'll get the hang of the way things work. There are many readers of rec.aquaria.*, some are old pros, some newcomers, but all would appreciate it if you would follow a few simple requests when posting. Remember, you're asking them for help so you should play by their rules!

1) If you've looked around for the information requested, but come up with contradictory information, no information, or don't understand the information, please say so. This will show that you've been actively seeking out the information yourself.

Also, PLEASE PLEASE do not buy a fish and THEN ask the newsgroup how you can properly care for it. Ask questions FIRST and read as much as you can BEFORE buying the fish. Allow several days for people to get back to you. Most stores will hold a fish for you if you ask. It also does not hurt to introduce yourself, and come to know the owner or some of the employees at your favorite store. They will be more willing to do things for you if they know you are a loyal customer. It is poor husbandry to buy a fish not knowing if you can keep it healthy.

2) Fill in the rest of the subject line with a brief description of the problem or a couple of words that describe the concern of the post. A descriptive subject line is more likely to get read and responded to than a vague one (``Goldfish has white spots'' is better than ``Help!!'').

3) When asking for help, please give a complete description of your tank size, lighting, filtration, its inhabitants and their sizes**, how long you've had it running, measures of water quality such as ammonia, pH, temperature, etc. You can't expect much of an answer (or any at all!) unless you include enough information. (i.e. not ``HI, My fish died! Why? Bye'')

**Fish sizes are measured from the tip of their head to the beginning of their tail fin (where the tail meets the body).

4) Please do not use all capital letters. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SHOUTING!

OK i added a heater for my tank. I went to my petstore he told me i need a heater for my fish coz its been very cold. I am going to get an algea eater tomorrow he told it would be fine.

By "algae eater" I hope you will get something that when it is full grown, it's not supposed to get over about 6 inches or so.

I just looked up "algae eater" on the profile section. I hope you didn't mean that. I hope you meant something like a bristlenose pleco............ that will eat algae.

"he" told you to get a heater? I assume you meant Frank when you were in the chatroom with him cause you told us there that your house was very cold. Also several people on here said to get a heater. So, good decision.

Do not listen to just the stores. They usually either don't know what they are talking about or are just trying to sell you a fish. The fish normally sold as algae eaters are chinese algae eaters or CAE. These guys get up to 12" and will not even fit in your tank when fully grown. Much like the common pleco. They also do not eat algae when they grow up. Instead they prefer to eat off the sides of your fish and will sometimes kill the other fish in the tank. Alot of beginners get sold chinese algae eaters saying they'll work fine and then find out they are a huge problem. Look for a bristlenose pleco or other small pleco and don't listen to the stores without checking the information yourself.

Hypostomus, glyptos, and all other "common plecos" do and will eat algae throughout all of their lives, as they are obligate limnivores. However, algae on it's lonesome is far less energetically beneficial to consume than, say, a block of cucumber, so 9 times/10, they will ignore algae in favor of higher quality foods. Thus, in reality, only poorly cared for plecos will clean the algae off most of your tank. However, provided nutrients are in balance in said tank, algae should not be an issue, anyways.

Paul at least you are getting a heater good thinking and reasoning.

I am going to get an algea eater tomorrow he told it would be fine.

OK Paul what species of algae eater as you know (By a recent reply you posted giving a link to Placos) they can grow very very huge.
As far as the info you have been getting from Your LFS (by the way where is it and its size) because all the infomation you have been given is not exactly the correct info in fact it is the totally opposite.
Or is it you only listen to the infomation you want to hear.
Paul it is about time you give us all and I mean all the details about your tank/tanks sizes, filtrations, fish, plants, water changes percentages and how often. Also any chemicals you use for water treatment/adjustments.

Again Paul you are asking questions to which you have been answers to many times over.

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Keith

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OK my tank is 33 gal. THe filter came with the tank. it is internal filter. It circulate the water. I have 1 artificial plant and a rock in the middle. The light is like pnk color and there is another one with white color. Temperature 27 degrees celcius. I have a wand like 40 cm added in the tank it gives bubble. My ieghbor has a pleco in the tank its the same size like me. ITs been for a year nad its being growing very fast. And everything is zero. Thanks

So what did you get at the fish store today Paul?

Well i bought today from the petstore 1 small pleco babies. and 2 babies angel fish one black and the other white they keep on schooling together. So funny. BTw way he told me i should add salt to my tank so i did. I told him they tell me not to add salt for goldfish they will die. He told me on his respnsibility. So i did as i ws told. Thanks BYe

Well, no offense to your LFS guy, but it sounds like he doesn't know a single thing about keeping fish properly or humanely. He should not have told you to add salt to the tank. Angelfish and Common Plecos are both from soft, acicidic water in nature, and they are not adapted to deal with salt in the water. If you keep them in water with salt, their lifespan will be shortened.

Goldfish are freshwater fish as well, and though they tend to be more tolerant of salt than the aforementioned species, it is pointless to add salt to any freshwater fishes' water. Golfish should not be kept with Common Plecos and Angelfish anyway. They are simply not compatible.

You say "bye" now, but I know in a couple weeks you are going to be back on the forums, begging for answers to problems that wouldn't have arisen had you followed the sound advice given to you by many knowledgeable members here. But instead you just blindly followed the advice of your LFS worker (who, by the way, is just trying to make a quick buck off you), just because it was what you wanted to hear.

You made those poor decisions, despite the fact that many venerable people on here were trying to help you. I find it quite rude of you to come on here and ask for advice, only to ignore it and then come back a few weeks later and ask for more (even though you still just ignore it). If you do leave for good, good riddance in my opinion. As said before, you made these decisions on your own and now you will have to deal with the (not-so-pretty) consequences on your own.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Well my nieghboor has the same tank like me. He do dd salt he has pleco and angel fish, and they have been for 1 year and he didnt have any problem. btw the LFs told me if something happened then it will be my fault. Thats y. 10x

ITs been for a year nad its being growing very fast

That right there should tell you it's not a good fish for that tank. They can grow quite fast and it won't stop any time soon. Just because the nitrates are zero doesn't mean the fish will stay healthy. Nitrates are one of the main reasons tanks that are overstocked end up with dead fish but I can go cram some goldfish in my 20g, do daily water changes to keep the nitrates low, and they'll still die alot sooner than if I put them in a larger tank. They just plain do not fit and eventually with the fish you've added to your new tank it will take daily water changes to keep the nitrates low. Didn't I just tell you not to listen to the stores that are selling you fish? They are either just out to make money or they don't know what they are talking about.

(My optimism is running out)

Does any one has a website to see a chart of compatibilities. Well he told me he will take the responsibility. My nieghboor has them for a year now and they r all fine.

Common pleco links:
http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/compleco.htm
http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Pleco.htm
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=88
http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_pleco2.php

Comments from another site on keeping goldfish and angels together:
http://www.qeok.com/fish/898-qeok.html

Well i bought today from the petstore 1 small pleco babies. and 2 babies angel fish one black and the other white they keep on schooling together. So funny. BTw way he told me i should add salt to my tank so i did. I told him they tell me not to add salt for goldfish they will die. He told me on his respnsibility. So i did as i ws told. Thanks BYe

So Paul............. do you know what kind of a pleco you bought yet?

"on his responsiility." Well that's good, if you ever need to take him up on it.

Does any one has a website to see a chart of compatibilities

Everything you need to know about any fish & compatibility is on this site, like I told you before, remember? Just go to "profile" & also "search" & type in whatever you want to know about.

Paul thank you for answering my questions now we know exactly what you have as far as a tank is concernrd that is a very good start.
Paul with all the effort and advice you have been so thoughtfully given you still went out and did the opposite again.
Forget about your friends tank we are all talking about your tank and trying to help you. Also you LFS sounds like a total loss go elsewhere.
Paul I hope in the near future we do not hear HELP as it will happen again please listen to all the advice given here on FP where there excellent advice has been given to you.
If you see I am here PM me as I would like to chat to you.

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Keith

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OK thank you very much. I waiting fro my goldfish to die so i can restock it. Coz the LFS want take them from me. Everyday morning i see one dead. I still have 3 more i am waiting for them to die so i can restock it. My angel fish r doing excellent with the pleco. Btw i am feeding them pellets they are a little bit tall and brownish color. When they all die i will ask u to give me some stocking information. Thanks

How can i make algea grow in my tank. I have a rock in the center of my tank a big one and colorfull. made speial for aquariums. If i keep the light on more than 8 hour does it make algea grow up. faster and better. If not what can i do, because i am not finding algea wafers for my pleco.

When they all die i will ask u to give me some stocking information.

To find out about stocking, go to "search" & type in "stocking". All you need to know is there.

Go to the "profile" section also & read up on plecos.......... maybe there is a substitute for algae you can feed him. Also go to search & type in plecos & read the threads about them. It might tell in there.

How can i make algea grow in my tank.

You participated in a thread on that very subject. Go to search & type in, How to grow algae, & it will come up. And no you will not get algae to grow just by leaving your lights on more than 8 hrs.

Y'all, I think this guy must be some kind of joke. Like this thread can not seriously be real. HE IS WAITING FOR HIS FISH TO DIE SO HE CAN RESTOCK?! And he has all these potentially huge fish in a 33 and a 10 gallon tank? He seems to only want to buy the most ridiculously huge and inappropriate fish he can find. I am horrified.
Maybe he will understand this...
Paul, you fish wrong for you tank. Wrong fish!
No buy more fish!

Seriously, this guy is either pulling our legs , or has some mental issues. He said he has one goldfish dying each day, and now only has 3 left. That means he had four? five? six? goldfish? But if you notice, in the first thing he wrote it only says he has 2 goldfish. Just doesn't seem to be adding up. He's probably from another fish site and is trying to annoy folks on here... that's my guess.

Well, he did steal that shark thread he made from here. I think he should just be banned so he'll stop wasting our time.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Yup, if you stop feeding the troll, he'll go away.

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Well, he did steal that shark thread he made from here. I think he should just be banned so he'll stop wasting our time

OMG! I'm surprised no one said anything in that thread. That is crazy...and here I thought the poor guy just needed some fish help.

*Kristin*

OK. I dont want to kill my fish i was just kidding. I love my fish they r gr8 i love them all. Everything is fine. But u didnt answer my question about how can i grow algea in my tank, I meant that if my fish die i will be changing the stocking, i am sorry if u understand it by mistake but i didnt meant like this. Everything is fine. today it was there first eating time for my 2 new baby angels. Btw my lfs he told me to add salt to them now they r dying one after one. But the angel do need salt. but i shouldnt added salt to the tank it is making my goldfish to die. I am very very very sad

Angels do not need salt. I have 2 angels in my 55g that are healthy and thriving without salt. Your LFS is just trying to make money off of you. I would not add any more salt to that tank.

We told you not to keep angelfish and goldfish together...are they in the same tank? These fish have 2 different temperature requirements and both grow large. They shouldn't be housed together.

Like everyone has said, we are trying to help you. We aren't your LFS that is trying to make money off of you, we are just people who care about fish. You have not listened to much we have told you. This makes us not want to offer anymore help to you, since we are really just talking to ourselves here.

Why are you wanting to grow algae, for a pleco? If so, you can just buy algae wafers that you put in for it every night. Having too much light over a tank will sometimes grow algae. Sometimes though, when you want algae, it won't grow.

*Kristin*

To grow algae in your tank, just move it as close to a window as possible. It may grow, it may not. You will just have to wait & see.

Too bad about the dying fish, but you were told not to listen to the fish store.

You were told here that angels do not need salt, but if you want to eventually kill them, keep adding it to the tank. They are your fish, you can kill them if you want to, by not following the advice given here.

You would not be very very very sad if you followed the advice given here. You are making yourself sad.

Paul
How about answering that thread.

Keith

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Well for sure i am not going to listen t o my petstore anymore he is an idiot. Now all the old fish that i use to have r dying. And the new one are doing gr8. My angel r very cute and the pleco r good but i lost on i dont know y did he dead i found him dead under the rock. Btw he told that i must submerge all the heater in the tank, but i cant. The only part which is over the water is from the light and up. But it is fine. What can make my old fish die. I am goiing to do a water test. I will go to him a wip him and fight with him.

Hi,
Actually, you need to submerse the heater to the water
line on the glass tube, or follow the directions that came
with it.
They must be "up to their necks" for the thermostat to
correctly sense the water temperature. If not, then the
ambient air will also affect the heater's turn on and off
points.
Additionally, the water is what is used to cool the glass.
While it is relatively immune to heat, it will crack if
the heater coils are on and the air above is cold.

Frank


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Paul,

I just read your thread...... I am SHOCKED.
Throughout this thread I have seen YOU ignoring peoples whole- hearted advice that they took the time out of their busy day to type up just for the sake of you. I have seen you say things such as " waiting for my fish to die so I can restock", and " what can make my old fish die?"

These are truly cruel, inhumane words. I really dont think you should have any right to keep fish anymore, but I am not the judge of that...its just my opinion.

BUT I am glad that you stopped taking advice from the LFS guy.

That is all.

Thanks everyone for your advice and help in this thread. I know you all did your best.

I don't like the anger that is flaring though.

^_^