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HOW MUCH ?!?!?!?!?!?

Didn't realise it was THAT expensive!

Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

They are just to die for IMO.

I think I'd keep them in a smallish tank though, I think a 55 might be nice. Because that way you'd actually get to see 'em.

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-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

Nope, missed that one ...

But I've hopefully helped the guy with his Aiptasia anemones now ...

Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Guess you didn't get to read this post either

http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/forums/General%20Marine/54239.html

I've had my eye on that fish for ages.


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Last edited by Ferretfish at 22-Feb-2005 10:23

-Formerly known as the Ferretfish

Peppermint angels? Are they Paracentropyge multifasciatus perchance?

Mind you, I'm mad enough to want a Candy Stripe Angel, Paracentropyge boylei, but know I can't afford one of those unless I win the Lottery

Anyway, hope the list of small fish proves helpful to eveyone, even though I was unaware that helfrichi was so woefully expensive!

Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

Well, at least were not talking about peppermint angels. Those are the crazy people, the people that spend $4000+ for a fish.

you guys are crazy! lol. i do like gobies though. have a knight goby in my fw tank. and i've seen several for sw. but i just wanted to keep it small and simple

thats my WHOLESALE COST....you wont find one in any store for that price....unless they are really stupid and dont know what they ordered and ignore what they paid for it and misprice it!

$60-$80!! Where is this at. If they weren't $200 everywhere I looked, I would have one!

Yup, its expensive...Its collected at a deeper depth and commands a higher price.

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Even at my wholesale cost its still a nice chunk of change, ranging from $60-$80.

my friend is going to give me an old 20 gallon of his and i was trying to think of what i want to do with it. would that be big enough to keep just a pair of clowns in and maybe an anemone? just want to try it out to see how hard it is compared to fw.

or the Featherfin Fireflash Goby, Nemateleotris helfrichi,

Oh SURE....recommend a $190 fish to a new guy

Last edited by DarkRealm Overlord at 20-Feb-2005 16:44

Instead of clowns in your proposed SW setup, go for something tiny. Neon gobies (Gobiosoma oceanops) spring to mind. Not least because they're donesticated, and you can get captive bred ones that will be more adaptable to your aquarum. These fish stay tiny (5cm) so they will be easier to work with in a tank that small. Better still, go for Amblyeleotris randalli if you can find it - they only reach 3cm max!

If you want a curiosity in your marine aquarium, try the Glass Goby, Fusigobius sp. aff. neophytus. Again, only 3cm. And possibly the most transparent marine fish you'll encounter - it's like a FW glass catfish! You could also look out for other tiny gobies such as Bryaninops natans (3cm) or the Featherfin Fireflash Goby, Nemateleotris helfrichi, which reaches 5 cm. Another good choice, and extremely colourful, virtually the marine equivalent of the Cardinal Tetra, is Lythrypnus dalli, the Catalina Goby. Again, only 3cm, and you'll get aquarium bred specimens. Other tinuy gobies include the Genus Eviota (3cm max - some are only 1.5 cm when adult!) and if you can find it, the tiger-striped Lythrypnus nesiotes, which only reaches 1.5cm.

Among the small Blennies, you could go for Stanulus seychellensis (if you can find it!), which again only reaches 3.5cm. Or the amazing Lipophrys nigriceps, an amazing blenny with a black and white leopard-spotted head, attached to a body that looks as if it's been carved out of solid ruby, the red is that intense. 5.5cm long max. The Genus Helcogramma maxes out at 5cm also. If you are content to just have one fish in the aquariu, you could always go for the Social Fairy Wrasse or Sea Fighter, Cirrhilabrus rubriventralis, which is a blast of radiant colour (again, ruby red predominating), but which maxes out at 7.5cm.

Among the smallest Damsels I can find is Chrysiptera cyanea at 8cm. Blast of electric blue, but you'll only be able to keep one, as two will bicker like mad. It's one of those species that should either be kept singly, or in a big shoal of 12 or more so that aggression is distributed among a large number of fish and diluted accordingly. If you can find the amazing Chromis atripes, this tiiny species only reaches 5cm, and has astonishing tail filaments!

If you can find one (and it will be rare and expensive!) then the Resplendent Angelfish, Centropyge resplendens, might work, but you'll have trouble finding one, and I wouldn't start SW keeping with an Angelfish of any sort - go for something a lot hardier to begin with, and migrate to a Pygmy Angel when you have more experience and a bigger tank! Centropyge argi, the Cherubfish, is also small enough (just) to fit in this setup, but again, you'd be looking at LOTS of potential maintenance headaches starting your SW keeping with a Pygmy Angel. Unless you know what you're doing, these are best left alone.

An alternative is the Strawberry Gramma, Pseudochromis porphyreus - possibly the toughest of all the Dottybacks. A blast of magenta, and a bold fish that will probably snatch food from your fingers once acclimatised!

Hope this selection proves useful and food for thought ...

Last edited by Calilasseia at 20-Feb-2005 15:59

Panda Catfish fan and keeper/breeder since Christmas 2002

If yoru happy with your FW tank, then leave it alone. You can use the 20gal tank for a SW tank, but it will take more work. And you will only be able to keep 2 small fish. If you think you can keep up with tank maintance on a daily bases, then you should be fine. I would suggest adding as much live rock as you can afford. This will help your tank deal with the bio load of the fish. You can also add several shrimp, small hermit crabs, and snails to keep the tank more interesting.



Dan

i like my 29 fw setup. i have 6 jului cories, a pictus cat, 3 gouramis, and i was thinking about adding a yoyo loach i saw, and a zebra loach.

a 29 is a better choice. If your willing to convert it to SW, then go for it.



Dan

ok. just curious. i don't really have room for 55 gallon tank anywhere though. i have a 29 gallon, but it's just fw.

That's really kind of small. The clowns will be OK, but most anemones that they will host with get very large. As stated, a 55 is a good place to start. But even that can be small for some anemones. I would suggest not getting a carpet anemone, they get very large, and need a LOT of lighting.



Dan

Honestly I think thats cutting it pretty close. A small enough pair would probably work.

Smaller is not easier in SW though. And you'll still need a good lighting setup for the anenome.

I think 55 gallons is a good size to suggest to beginners.