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Never heard of one named crested.

There are 2 types that fit the description, Wendelov, which is one of the smaller Ferns and a deep green. Tropica Lace fern is a much bigger fern and usually has three fronds at the leaf tip.

Probably one of these.

Most are develeped varients by the Tropica nursery, maybe somebodies come up with a new one Or maybe stores have a found a new mis leading common name to give to something ?

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clownloachfan
Sounds like a pretty name to catch the would be buyer. I have a Java fern with a common name of Serratted Java Fern it is just another local trade name.
Either that or a new variety of the "****" edged type
Keith

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My LFS donated a nice piece of these the other week, very nice looking but a slow grower. Quite expensive in AUS apparently. They cost around $20-$30 each while the normals are about $5 a piece.

But, purchasing online is much more cheaper, I ordered all 4 of the crested from Aquaria Australia (Sml) for $5 each. Can wait to recieve them.

Bensaf, its the Microsorium pteropus 'Windelov' we are talking about.




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I have seen many types of java ferns on the internet, but yet i have never seen this "crested" type. I was just wondering because i have noticed it has come up quite a few times on this site. I have even looked up on http://www.tropica.com/default.asp and they dont have it. They have 7 different types. Could they possibly be refering to the windelov(lace) type. If it is not the windelov type, could somebody please post a pic?

FRANK

I second that. Bernard don't forget the wife.

Keith

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HI Ben
While you are "wrecking the credit card" you had better
be picking up some stuff for the wife or you will be
sleeping with the dogs!!

Hope things are going well my friend!

Frank


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PS: bensaf, it's me, Andy

Yo, Andy welcome aboard the good ship FP.

Haven't been around much I'm out of town at the moment in Singapore. Amazing plant shops here I've picked up some really great stuff. Every brand of fert and equipment in one shop from the basics to Amano's range of ADA products.I wrecking the credit card !

BTW the red moss is growing beautifully

Sorry I'll give back the thread now.

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Sorry frank, My tank is a 50cm cube. So far I got 3 15watt tubes under it, buts thats only 1.5wpg.

Hi,
I don't see any mention of how big your tank is Mangor34.
However, as a rule folks only use MH lights over salt water
tanks, especially reef tanks where they need lots of
intense light for corals and invertebrates.
They are hot (give off LOTS of heat), very expensive,
and should be replace every 6 months, much like the UV
system lights.

If you have one, and don't mind heating up the room, you
could go ahead and use it. If you don't have one, I would
not purchase one.

Depending upon the size of your tank, standard flourscent
bulbs could fit the bill just fine. Purchase the bulbs
from any hardware store and buy only ones that are marked
DAYLIGHT or SUNLIGHT. They will be 6700K and "perfect"
for your plants. If you have a larger tank consider going
with Compact Flourscent bulbs. Again 6700K up to 8800K
bulbs.

Hope this helps

Frank


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There is another kind of Microsorium that looks very much alike Windelov, the only apparent differences is that it is much less serrated at the tip if compared to Windelov, also the serration at the tip is not as deep as Windelov. I'd think maybe this is what's being called the 'crested' fern, btw it is only because I have these kind of plant that I'm able to tell the difference.
PS: bensaf, it's me, Andy

mangor34

To be honest my knowledge of lighting is very limited, There are several FP members who are far more capable of answering that question than me.

Keith

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Just recieved my 4 specimens today. What can I say? Very healthy plants for a small price. Pure green, no black!

Keith, will a 150watt MH 6,500K light be too bright for them?

mangor34

Lighting to me is very important as it is the sun to your plants. My both tubes are Sera 1 daylight &amp; 1 plant growth. These are in the $30+ bracket and all I can say is look at the results.

I have done the same with the Betta tank this time Sera 1 Tropical sun &amp; 1 Daylight again $30+

Here is a copy of the Sera lighting chart.


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Keith, your specimen looks nice! I think my lighting isnt white enough to show the greeness. I bought some flourish (Seachem) and see how they go with it.

Bernard

I think it just one of those things.
It could also that we have a stronger strain in OZ.
Another posibility it could be in the water that is supplied to us.
Is it possible the the natural rock I use have some thing to do with it?
Just thought of this. In orchids the exact thing happens if over fertilised it is caused by the salt build up in the pot. I have basically reduced my orchid ferts and now no black at the tips which causes a dieback.

Could it be it does not like one of the ferts you are using? This could be a chemical within a certain fert.

The only other thing I could say is that it is very high in the tank.

Keith

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Bernard
As a matter of fact I think my water would be considered on the soft side and it certainly not in any current furtherest end from outlet and rock protects it from airstone and UGF outlet.

Could explain why you have some of the "blackness" too Keith

As I said, it doesn't need those conditions to survive or grow, just to look it's very best.

My experience with Wendelov is that I get it looking all bright green and fresh. After a few weeks it begins to have black patches on the leaves, this is leaf coloring not algae, and takes on a kind of slightly shrivelled dry look. It grows fine as do all the other plants. I'm sure it's not a nutrient problem as I throw in plenty and much nutrient demanding plants flourish. So I tend to agree with the information I've gotten from others that's it's an environment issue.

I've pretty much given up on it as I don't like the look if it's not looking absolutely fresh.

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mangor34

It is extremly hard for me to photograph that fern because of its location in the tank and the location of the end of the tank to the house window and corner wall

Bernard
As a matter of fact I think my water would be considered on the soft side and it certainly not in any current furtherest end from outlet and rock protects it from airstone and UGF outlet.

Keith

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It's quite common with Wendelov's in my experience, the turning black thing.

I'll be honest here, I can't grow Java Fern worth a damn ! Can grow pretty much anything but not plain 'ol Fern).

I've spoken to people here , well I live in Java so they should know. While Java Fern is not fussy with regards light and nutrients it seems to do best in cool slightly harder water with a decent current. I think these are the only conditions where it will truly thrive.

It will grow in just about anything but may not look it's best.

I always want plants to look their best.

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Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability.

Keith, can you post an image of your specimen? Because I have noticed in the LFS that the tips of the leaves eventually turn black, some tips of the leaves on mine are black but most already got small babies growing.

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mangor34

That is exactly the same variety I have as you mentioned it is extremly slow grower. I have it high in the tank and is making steady progress fixing its self to a rock.

Keith

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