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My fish will be lucky to get fed during the next 3 weeks

Oh oh, I guess that means that we are not going to see a lot of entries from you in the next 3 weeks

I wish you a lot of luck with your tests and papers and whatever else you have to do.

Ingo

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Oh oh, I guess that means that we are not going to see a lot of entries from you in the next 3 weeks

FP is my "get away from it for 15 mins" thing. So I'll pop in here and there, but not as much as I normally do. And thanks for the luck, I'll need it

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So I'll pop in here and there

Well, maybe you can use that time to also visit one of my logs, or maybe even more than one

Ingo

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Matty,

Good luck with your finals. Once I make it through this week things are going to be smooth sailing after.

I have been tempted to so a set up mich like your next one. they seem so much simpler. More thining out then triming and replanting.



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Matty,

Looks really great, I love the HM on the left, it really looks stunning with the Lud.

I can see what you mean about the glosso falls, but as far as experiments go it was a good one and didnt result in a scaping disaster. Agree with LF about taking it down at once. Also do a HUGE water chnage after.

But there will be more time to discuss that in about a month.

Good luck with finals!

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Good luck with exams Matty

For the rescape I'm thinking about another low scape without too much in the way of fast growing stem plants

I like the sound of that. I thought you needed a bunch of those fast growing stems to suck up the nutrients & keep the algae at bay?

Will it work to have no fast growing stems at all?

Cheers
TW

Thanks guys

I like the sound of that. I thought you needed a bunch of those fast growing stems to suck up the nutrients & keep the algae at bay?

Will it work to have no fast growing stems at all?

Well I think it will work out fine. Pearl grass is technically a stem, and a very fast growing one in my tank. Tenellus also grows pretty quick. I just took another 50 to my LFS tonight along with some pearl grass and got $40 for the group. I did the same 6 weeks ago. Those things grow at warp speed sometimes. Just harvesting those easily takes care of maintenence costs for the tank. I'll keep both those in the tank and maybe some stems in a corner. I think it should be OK.

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We might have to work something out for the pearl grass sometime if you are up to it.

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Just let me know and I am sure we can work something out Matt.

Being you have a salt tank. Try and breed them?

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Are they supposed to be pretty easy to breed? I doubt they'd last very long in my SW tank (the baby shrimpsters) and I would have to acclimate them over a period of weeks I think, so that's probably out of the question, unless I set up a dedicated tank to acclimate them to full SW salinity.

You got a how to link on raising amanos?

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I think you're right about the shrimp matty. I don't think it's worth the effort. tiny shrimp will not last long at all even if you get them to hatch and catch them and transport them. probably much easier to just buy more.

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Nice shrimpster pictures Matty

Yeah, I also think that you won't be able to raise them. But keep on trying to find a link on how it would have to be done, as I would be interested myself. Maybe a brackish environment would be good enough? No idea ...

Ingo

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Well I thought the carnage had stopped, but it seems that I was wrong. I'm now left with 13 fish. 7 preacox, 3 signifers, and 3 otos. A couple days ago I noticed the first signs of actual disease, and I've been looking this whole time. Kinda odd IMO that it pops up now.

Anyways, Heres a couple pics. Only one of my bulbs has turned on, so the pics are a bit dark. If you can't see it I'll try and get pics later.

These are both the same fish, no others are showing anything like this:




Lemme know what you guys think I should do. I'm not very good with diseases, I'm not really experienced in that department

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I'm not really experienced in that department

I wish I could help you out but I am in the same department as you are. For the most part I haven't ever had too many issues since getting serious about the hobby. Working in a LFS is interesting when people come in asking for meds for their sick fish... Have the same problem?



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Yeah, I do, but most people that come in asking for meds don't really have sick fish though. The fish are dieing because of NH4(new tank) or prolonged high NO3/pH drop(old tank, no water changes). If fish really are displaying symptoms of anything other than ich, I tend to get help with it. Our managers are really pretty good with IDing illness. They basically take care of 300 tanks of fish so disease happens all the time.

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Matty,

One of my old sparkling gourami had that:



Unfortunately she didn't respond to treatment, and eventually became more and more reclusive. I had to put her down. Keep an eye on him, but be prepared to send him to fishy heaven if he doesn't get better.

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It looks a little bit like what my original trio of black mollies developed. According to the people at the LFS it was most likely fish tuberculosis. However, they also told me that most fish in general don't develop this desease even if the bug itself is present. The mollies were just more e to develop it because the water in Finland is very soft, while the mollies thrive better in harder water.

Take a look here and see if the symptoms you see are a bit like it:
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html

I'd also suggest you start a thread in the hospital forums where someone more knowledgable may be able to identify the cause.

Hows the fish doing Matt?

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As of lights out he was still alive. Lights come on in about an hour, but I won't be here. I suspect he'll hang on for a couple days at least. He was eating and swimming normal. That could be said for all the others that died though.

I put up a post in the hospital like you suggested Dr. Bonke.

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Well the infected rainbow made it through the day, but a healthy looking oto kicked the bucket. I'm not sure what to think about this anymore.

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Doesn't sound good Matt. I wish I could help but I am of no use to you. Have you showed the pictures to your bosses?

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I've tried to describe it to them, but I don't have a good way to get the pic into work, my printer is no good, and you can't really see the problem on the original picture on the camera's screen. From what I described they said it could be a few things, and the best would be to dump x,y, and z in there at the same time for a couple weeks. which they said would probably annihilate the plants and bacterial filter.

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Ouch... Thats not good at all. What are you thinking of doing?

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Guess I'll have to wait it out. After xmas I'll redo the plant scape so that will take my mind off things. I was thinking about nuking everything, but then I remembered the amano shrimp that are doing just awesome in there. They would probably die from whatever parasite meds I use...most just target inverts. Summary - No clue.

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Yeah don't kill off your Amano's they cost too much! I would guess they probably are not holding the issues at hand either.

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Amano's don't cost much for me...but that's no reason to kill them. You are right. They are fine and dandy, all someteen of them.

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The perks of working at a LFS. Cheap stuff for our addictions.

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Matty, so sorry to hear of all the troubles here. I haven't check in for a while to this thread - what happened with the sick fish - any improvement?

Shame you had to tear down the deathstar after all your hard work. I'm sure something nicer still is coming.

Good luck with the re-do

Cheers
TW

Thanks robyn, the fish with the cyst was a serious fighter, but he died today. I now have 8 rainbows left.

The deathstar was a fun little project, I don't mind that it didn't turn out well. I could have made it work with some lower light plants...a moss or nana petite.

I did get some nana petite, and I have a few other new plants for the redo. I'm keeping the pearl grass, ludwigia, star grass, and obviously the tenellus. I bought some ammania, a new batch of gayii, r. wallichi, and hydrocotyl. Not sure if I will keep the hydrocotyl though.

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poor guy.

Look forward to your new pics

Cheers
TW

With the destruction of the Death Star, the elite Catfish Stormtroopers are in stunned disbelief.

Sorry couldn't help it. Can't wait to see the replant!


Rick
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Here's another little sneak peak:



Enjoy

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From what i can see it is looking really good, i can't wait to see a full tank shot.

†Aquapickle†

What is that pretty plant?

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Thanks, it's rotala macrandra. one of a few reds I'm trying out for the new scape. It's kind of war of the red plants in my tank right now.

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Are you still keeping that Ludwigia G.? I like that stuff..... Need to find some around here sometime.

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Well from what I can see it looks really full and healthy. I like that plant as well. I'll need to look it up.

Rick
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Yep, I still have the ludwigia, it's got a permanent spot in the tank.

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Yep, I still have the ludwigia, it's got a permanent spot in the tank.

Thats good to hear. It looked great with the pearl weed. Any updated pics???

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Have I missed something, or is there only the one little sneak peak picture.

Are you going to show us more soon?

Cheers
TW

The pics of me tearing down the tank were a sneak peek.

I also have this one:


I'm holding out on the full tank pics until I pick out the plants I want and get it scaped.

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Matty,

Nice shots of the cats, I have never seen them before. I hope all is going as planned with the tank now, just take it easy and don't install some other funky object, like a ferries wheel or what not, LOL.

Ingo

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Wow, how did I miss the destruction of the deathstar?!?

Looking forward to seeing the new layout

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Alright... It has about about 10 days now. It's time for a new picture!

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I guess I'll give you a small update. I'm probably not keeping the wallichi. I like the macrandra and the ammania. That's all I've decided so far.

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Is it time for another small update?

Cheers
TW

I'm still unhappy with my plant layout and the health of the red plants. I can't keep them from wrinkling up, even the ludwigia now. So I really don't have much to share with you, sorry. I wish I had something nice to show, maybe a new shrimp pic, will that tide you over?

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Well the shrimp is very nice matty - thanks for sharing that. I know pics don't always show up the faults we are so critical of, but the red plant & the greenery looks pretty nice as well.

Cheers
TW

Nice shot of your Amano! Very clean.

I am guessing you would rather not have our input on your tank by you not showing it to us?

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I am guessing you would rather not have our input on your tank by you not showing it to us?

I love your guys' input, but it's just that I'm in the middle of playing around with it at this point and just haven't had time to try and scape at all. It would be like your input on the 5.5 right now.....get some plants in it . It just looks like the tank before I took down the death star, just with some random plants in that corner.

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I wanna see disaster
I wanna see ugliness
I wanna see disarray



Truly, I somehow do not understand why people never show the tank when it is going downhill, except the few times that pictures were posted in a thread to show the tanks from various people at their worst.

I see the purpose of log as a reflection of what is going on in a tank over time, and there are good things and bad things happening.

I hope that others don't look at my logs only for the "pretty" pictures and the best way I can provide them with additional information (including moral support in case of failure) is by letting them know how frustrating this hobby can be once in a while. And what is better to demonstrate such frustration than the display of a photo showing the reasons for the upset?

So - to all of you - be a little more open about this, it is not a competition and I for sure will not value you and your tanks less because you reveal its failures, I actually will respect you more (than I already do).

Sorry for the rant,

Ingo

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I'll post a picture for you guys later on, when the lights come on, since it seems you want to see but:

I see the purpose of log as a reflection of what is going on in a tank over time, and there are good things and bad things happening.

It's really not that bad looking, for the most part things are pretty healthy, just not well taken care of or scaped well. In that respect it's not frustrating(in the case of the plants, the fish are a different story), because it's mostly from lack of trying. Mostly it's just that there's nothing going on to show you guys. Like I said, it looks like I took out the deathstar a few days ago and threw some plants in the corner.

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Mr DIY. The guy that show us the inner workings of so many creative approaches all of a sudden is showing some vanity.

Yeah I kinda know what you saying when there's nothing new to report. We all don't do makeovers as often as LF. I haven't seen Nowher's little 4g in quite some time either.

My Scapes

I haven't seen Nowher's little 4g in quite some time either.

You wouldn't be able to handle the BBA. It's so thick on the driftwood, my shrimp think I installed shag carpeting for them.

LF is right, of course, about showing how our tanks look regardless of whether we think they're in show condition or not. IMO, I'm still 3 years into planted tank husbandry. I'm sure in Amano's first 3 years he did a lot of crummy scapes and killed a lot of plants and fish I'm sure.

In a forum like this, I see everyone else's tanks and they look good, and it's a bit embarrassing when I think mine don't look as good. Just have to remember we're all friends here, and it isn't an ADA contest... yet...

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yippee kay ya

You wouldn't be able to handle the BBA. It's so thick on the driftwood, my shrimp think I installed shag carpeting for them

Don't think for a second those really nice tanks you see from the Senske brothers, etc, don't get bba on the driftwood. Your just seeing the end photo. MY tank get's bba on the dw, that's why it's important to be able to clean it. Do you also think those glass lily pipes stay crystal clean like they came out of a dishwasher and white sand stays white. If the tank is up long enough that stuff is gonna get dirty. Some of the well-known scapers you see have not desire to keep a tank long-term. They set it up, get it to mature and then take it down and start all over again. That's how they get good at doing scapes. They are constantly creating new ones.

My Scapes

Do you also think those glass lily pipes stay crystal clean like they came out of a dishwasher and white sand stays white.

Oh I know that. Afterall, that's why ADA sells a piece of pipe-cleaner wrapped around a coat hanger for $50. It's the same illusion that all modeling creates: the image of static beauty. But in reality, the make-up comes off, people age, buildings get torn down... or, in our cases, plants grow and age and die, and the whole scape changes.

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What used to be rotala macrandra:


This used to be "pink telanthera" :


And here's a FTS:



I think you can see all 7 of my fish that are left. I've now had 7 for a couple months. I'm thinking about getting some more this weekend. Don't know what yet, but I might just get whatever takes my fancy ant the time. I've also recently decided that I'm going to be using 50% RO/DI for water changes (12g RODI, 12g tap). I believe there's something up with the pipes in the building or the tap in general. I know a few people in this building who have been having the same troubles as I have with their fish. My salt water tank doesn't have a problem because I start with pure water. It's not too hard to connect the dots IMO. I just hope 50% will dilute whatever it is enough to help, cause I'm not doing full 100% RODI - I'd rather not have fish.

It's working it's way towards scaped, but these reds are stalling out on me cause I haven't paid them enough attention. I used to be trying to dose Mg and Ca and K in addition to N, P, and micros. I've also recently started just dosing N,P, and micros, whatever K comes with is good. If the plants look better than it's either the softer water from RO/DI or I was dosing too much of something. If they still look crappy I'll maybe start dosing that other stuff again.

So my recent dosing is every other day .5ppm KH2PO4 and 3ppm KNO3. Between is 2-3 mL of micros via flourish.

I think that's everything, questions/comments/crits welcome.

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Matty,

Thanks for posting picturs.



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What no input?!?!

Sheesh

What's a guy gotta do around here

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What no input?!?!

Sheesh

I thing Wings said it all

Well you could alot of different ways, but my first reaction is a center mound with branchy pieces of wood poking out. The mound could house the reds with some green inbetween. I think that would work with the pearlgrass and the rocks already there. Plants are definitely hard to fiqure out sometimes. I still haven't been able to my Aromatica going again after it grew like gangbusters and I never slacked off the ferts. Very strange. I even upped my dosing just for the hell of it and nothing, I also added root tabs, nothing. Maybe my water is too soft and acidic, who knows.

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Thanks for the comments tetratech. I don't really want to try and get branchy DW, there's never any locally and I can't much afford anything I don't get my discount on. Especially if it involves shipping. I agree that would look great, but also look an awful lot like someone else's tank. I'ma keep the red plants real low, so the rocks can be seen (and maybe get another or two), and throw in something behind them, I'm thinkin' the gayii that has been growing real nicely for me in the corner. TI and the pearlgrass were made for this tank I think. The gayii will have a different leaf texture and color than the pearlgrass, so that and the reds will provide good contrast.

Something else worth mentioning I guess. The rigors of DIY set in today as my plumbing sneakily started slowly leaking. I lost maybe 3 gallons of water on the floor. About 7 towels and a sore back later it cleaned up ok and the leak got a good strong fix.

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Yes Matty, it looks very nice, given that you were hiding it for soooo long.

It doesn't matter that the tank hasn't changed in a while, even that is part of the game, called consistency

I am sorry to hear about the leak, I hope you don't have any downstairs neighbors that had to take an unscheduled shower

Ingo

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I haven't heard from the guys downstairs so I'm hoping that it didn't make it through the floor. It is completely dry up here now.

The reds seem to be maybe growing in better than they were before. I don't want to get my hopes up though. Maybe I was ODing the Ca, Mg, and K or maybe it was the tapwater, and maybe the RO/DI is doing the trick. This week's inch or so of growth looks to be a lot less wrinkly and distorted. Maybe I can pull it off after all. There certainly is a lot more pearling, but that might be the new CO2...

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Very nice carpet of green you've got going there Matty. Contrasts nicely with your splashes of reds.

Cheers
TW

So, matty, will we still see you here in planted tanks, now your a SW moderator?

Congratulations again. /:'

Cheers
TW

Nope, now that I'm the "man" I have too many responsibilities to hang out in the planted forums

Of course I'll still post around here. I wouldn't be a mod if I couldn't talk plants and scapes. And thanks for the congrats Robyn .

So I guess I'll let everybody know I got my blyxa yesterday. It came in very poor shape. It was half mush. I talked to the guy I ordered from and he was very concerned even before I got them asking me if I had received them on wednesday. He assured me that I will get some more if these don't make it. If it all works out well I'll definitely recommend him to everybody here. Only ships in the US, but he's really close to you NYC/Jersey residents.

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If you got them from aquabid, does he go by the name "Lowcoaster"?

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I didn't get them from aquabid, but I did get them from Lowcoaster, yes.

Do you have experience with his plants or business? If so please do tell, even if it's already after I made a purchase with him. A pm might be best.

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What?

Matty is a Mod?

Things must go really bad on the dark side!!!



Congratulations

Say, how come your Avatar thingy does not reflect the mod status? Is it only showing over there? Interesting!

Ingo

EDIT: Ups, now I see it has changed, I guess mods are not that fast

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Say, how come your Avatar thingy does not reflect the mod status? Is it only showing over there? Interesting!

I guess his powers only work on the darkside.

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I guess his powers only work on the darkside

Really funny

Congrats Matty!

My Scapes

Hey,

While we are congratulating Matty, I just noticed something with the last post I made in my log.

Check my award banners below my Avatar

Ingo

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Say, how come your Avatar thingy does not reflect the mod status? Is it only showing over there? Interesting!

I think I have my title and award banner now. I've been updated by Adam. Thanks for the congrats guys.

Check my award banners below my Avatar

Congrats on the top 5 poster LF. Gotta think those fingers get tired .

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Ok, finally got this thing scaped a little. I tossed a lot of plants. The macrandra was just awful, so it went. Lots of ludwigia went as well, only the decent looking stuff stayed. That's why the reds section is a bit sparse. Hopefully that will fill in a bit soon. The stuff that stayed is what has grown well for me. The pearlgrass, some of the ludwigia, and the ptomageton gayii. I also got my blyxa in and wanted to comment about that. I got the plants from lowcoaster, found on aquabid I guess. I found him elsewhere. The first shipping ended with mush, maybe they froze even though there was a heatpack in with them. I told Charley, and without delay said he'd send them again, no charge. Great guy to deal with IMO. Plants look real healthy this time around. If they die it will be all my fault . You can see them on the right side of the tank.

So on to the pic, and please give constructive criticism, at this point I feel like the tank is taking shape towards how I want it, so little tweaks would be nice to hear about. But no DW (sorry tetratech). If you think I could use some more rocks, that won't be too hard to accomplish. Anything else is doable.

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That HM is beautiful matty, well done with that. Did it naturally start growing sideways along the bottom, or did you press it in?

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Thanks nowher, I think the combination of strong light and heavy trimmings keeps it nice and low. I don't pysically push it down or anything like that.

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Matty,

Looking very nice and clean (as in organized and structured)!

The Blyxa seems to fit in nicely, and I know that it doesn't show its full potential in pictures very well (tends to blend in). I have quite a bit in my 125G by now, but the gravel substrate makes individual stems come loose almost on a daily base, it drives me nuts.

Overall, I think there are two ways which this tank could go now:

1) a rock only tank (what's that called - iwagumangiugaga ? ), in which case the center group of taller plants would have to go
2) a tank with a nice center group, in which case the group has to grow some more to achieve its dominant position. In this case, I also would suggest to have the red plant (ludwigia) not as the foremost in that group but to put something shorter and green in front of it.

Ingo

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How about letting the ptomageton gayii grow around the Ludwigia?

Everything I heard about PG was that it was an easy plant to grow. Mine never took off for me. Maybe it was a bad batch.

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I think I'm going to skip on the iwigimiboogy LF :

I'm definitely going after a nice little center group, though I do want to keep it low. As for green in front of the reds, the HM is trying to make its way past the rocks in front. I may move the reds back a little on your suggestion and have a little more HM in front, but I don't want the reds as the back group.

Wings - I like the p. gayii enough to give it more room, and I think I'll try to fill it in more as it grows upwards. It does a good job of producing runners on its own so hopefully that will help too. Sorry to hear that you had a hard time growing it. It's probably just one of those can't grow everything deals.

Thanks, and keep 'em coming

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I think I'm going to skip on the iwigimiboogy

- What? No iwigigloowombly for you?

I may move the reds back a little on your suggestion and have a little more HM in front, but I don't want the reds as the back group.

While I agree on the latter part, the "not making them a back group", I am not too wild about the first part, the "letting the foreground come up the main group. I would try instead to think about a different green plant to distinguish between surrounding and main group. What is that one plant again - Downoi? I think that could be nice.

Ingo

EDIT: Wings, nah - I think the 29G with the platies would not be good either.

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You guys always gotta pick plants/hardscape that are inaccessible. I do like the downoi, I'll see how much that would run me, then decide if it's worth it. Any other ideas for plants that would serve the same function? My nana petite is growing, but still not large enough to make any sort of difference anywhere. Maybe I could get some more of that. I found a reasonable source for that.

Oh, how 'bout pelia? I've never tried that stuff, looks neat. Would be a different color too.

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Oh, how bout pelia?

You mean Monosolenium tenerum, right?

Seems like a nice plant, but I think one would need a larger patch to make it look nice. Also, doesn't it have to be affixed to rock and such?

Ingo

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You mean Monosolenium tenerum, right?

Yep, I think that's the stuff. I've seen it grow solitary and not float around. It's much more dense than java moss or riccia from what I remember. Could be wrong though .


I also wanted to add that I finally got a few more fish since the tank seems to have been stable for the last couple months. Pictures tomorrow evening I think.

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Got some pictures of my new fish, a nice male pearl gourami. I also happened to snap some shots of the furcatas while I was at it. I left out the preacox, I took 190 pics of the pearl gourami and the furcatas, and didn't get to the new preacox. So on to the pics:

Pearl gourami:




And a few of the furcata boys:








Hope you enjoyed

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Nice fish. Haven't ever seen those furcata boys - but I sure think they're pretty. Oh, and your pearl is nice too.

Cheers
TW

Yep, I think that's the stuff. I've seen it grow solitary and not float around. It's much more dense than java moss or riccia from what I remember.

From what I know, Pelia has an overall appearance similar to Riccia, when looked at from the distance, up closer its leaf structure is very different though, and the color is of a darker green. In addition, Pelia is naturally a sinking plant and as such leaves that come off do not float up but would spread with the current along the substrate. As it is (just like riccia) a non rooting plant, such spreadings can produce new cultures anywhere in the tank as well.

I am not sure, but I think there are two forms of Pelia out there, one with significantly smaller leaves than the other. Now, why do I feel hungry and why am I thinking of paella?

On to the fishies:

- Why just a male Pearl? Will he not be bored? I see my couple hanging out together for most of the day, although once in a while the male shows the female who is the boss (but all without injury).

- The Furcatas look very nice and colorful, I hope they will do well now that your tank seems more stable. I assume they are very active as I am accustomed to seeing very sharp and clear pictures from you and these are a little "rushed". How frustrating must that have been for you!

Ingo

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The furcatas have been in the tank the whole time, it's the preacox I got new ones of. I just felt like taking pics of the furcatas. It was very frustrating taking almost 200 pictures and none coming out great. They are incredibly swift fish darting all over the place. Like a danio or barbs or something. I'll probably get a the male pearl a mate. They were just really big, he's near 4 inches I'd say, and didn't want to rush the stocking. I don't think he'd really be too bored though. They do ok solitary, I've had them that way in the past. I'm also going to get more furcatas when I get the chance, they aren't quite as commonly stocked as the others.

Yeah, that's what I remember of pelia too. Sounds like it might do the trick, no? And go get yourself something to eat....pelia

Thanks for the comments

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Sounds like it might do the trick, no?

Hm, maybe

I have seen it more as a true midground plant itself, not as a "hedge" in front of a midground group, and that is more what your arrangement looks like.

I think that a small stone (or a few small ones) covered with it might not make an impression, except if you should get your hands on the small version of it (not that I remember what that is called).

Sorry about not being able to keep up with what fish are new and what are "old". So you say the Pearl is already 4", that means he is pretty much all done growing, right?
If I am not mistaken then they can live quite a while, like 7 to 10 years or so, right?

Ingo

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Nice fish shots Matty!

Those are some very pretty fish!

I think you guys are right on the ball with the Pelia. Check tropica's web site. They have an article on the front page right now, i think...



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Hmm...so the naysayers say nay. I'll have to maybe check on the possibility of downoi too. I'm just worried that the color of downoi will be too similar to that of the HM and get lost. Maybe I can come up with some other ideas in addition. I'll think on it.

So I think that yes, the pearl gourami is about full size. It was a really nice batch of them that came in. I have a soft spot for pearls and had to have one. I'm sure they live a number of years like you said LF, so I should still have him for a good while.

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll check out tropica, thanks wings

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Really like those furcatas. How are they in the schooling department?

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When I had a bunch of them they schooled OK. Unfortunately, I only have 3 now....so they don't school real well. That's why I intend to get more. I wouldn't compare them to rummys or cardinals though. They school as well as other rainbows IMO, but are more active than others. They tend to zip around the preacox.

Forgot to mention the best part. Unlike any tetra I can think of, the males REALLY like to display. No aggression mind you, just "who's flashier." This happens on and off all day. The picture with both males in the picture and the one in focus extending his fins is what I'm talking about. Really fun behavior to watch.

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Another option would be a small group of low growing rosette plants, I have one in mind but cannot think of its name now.

Your description of the Furcatas makes them even more appealing than the photos already did. I like the male display thingy, I see this in my Dwarf Rainbows all day as well, but of course their finnage is not remotely as nice as the Furcatas'

Ingo

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Did you happen to think of those rosette plants?

SoMy fish must really be liking something I'm doing nowadays, as my new male pearl is building bubble nests:



I think I'll have to buy him a lady friend. I'll do a little reading first to see what the deal is on the whole breeding aspect of the gouramis, see if anything like aggression goes on. I've only ever kept males by themselves and never had bubble nests. I wouldn't really intend to get babies, but if it helps them live a fuller life, then I'm for it. The behavior would be fun to watch anyhow.

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Spring is in the air....

Frank


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Looks very nice. If I were you I would try to expand the tank upwards... Besides the bare top. It's very nice.

Chris

Finals have been outcompeting my tanks for attention. However, finals were done yesterday, so today is tank maintanance before I go on vacation tomorrow. I just wanted to show the insane amounts of of HM that I had growing in the tank. Don't mind the debris....I algae wiped the sides of the glass and stirred things up a bit. It's already settled out.

Here's what finals do to the HM:




And this is on a 2.5g bucket....about a 10in diameter ball:



I'll update later with the after pics. The tank is filling with RO ATM.

It seems that I'm having the same problems with my blyxa that LF did in his 40, it's wrinkling up and red. Not sure what's up, but I blame it on the neglect. This week won't be a whole lot better since I'll be away. Hopefully it can pull through.

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Red blyxa is good, isn't it?

As for the HM - Yep, that's what finals will do alright. Although I'm sure the extra plant mass was nice for WQ.

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Red is good....wrinkling and stunting is bad. It's not growing much, but I want to blame it on my lax maint. in the last couple weeks.

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Nice Pearl Grass, I hope you can sell it to the LFS or something.

Yeah, Red and Stunted is not good, but I don't think it is the maintenance. As you may remember, mine turned this way as soon as I added a light and moved the main one right over the plants (within 2 weeks). Meanwhile, maintenance had not changed of course.

I think more likely it is based directly on the light, at least the reddening, and on top of it it requires some specific micro fert to keep on growing, maybe iron.

Ingo

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Is it possible that we are pushing the blyxa too much with our high tech systems? I am getting a couple of side shoots with mine but not a lot. The tops are turning quite red now so we will have to see how it goes.

Nowher,
Did yours turn red in your 4G?

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Well I'm pretty sure the blyxa isn't going to do it for me. Ah well. I really would have loved for it to work. I'll have to find something else now.

Thought I'd give an updated pic of the tank as I never showed it after the trim....but this is over a couple weeks later after having been on the trip....minimized lighting and ferts so not a whole lotta growth. I still haven't gotten around to changing the layout. We'll see what this month has to offer .

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show the insane amounts of of HM

So what is HM - is the same plant that LF refers to as Pearl Grass? How do you plant it? Is it one of those fiddly little plants, that are difficult to plant. I think I'd like to try it out as foreground in the new tank, if I can get my hands on some.

Cheers
TW

Yep HM = hemianthus micranthemoides = pearl grass.

It's pretty easy in my experience. High light will encourage low growth as well as "mowing" the lawn frequently.

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Wow, the Gayii looks great. Maybe it's me but I really like open and simple with lots of swimming space just like this tank. I really think it would even better with yes you guessed it. Thin pieces of branchy wood poking out about the Gayii and no background.

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Thanks tetratech. I'm pretty pleased with the tank, and would get pokey DW if I could find some locally. I'll at least get a few more rocks or something.

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"mowing" the lawn frequently

How do you do this? Do you just trim the tops and, if so, doesn't this result in a mess in the tank? What is your method?

Cheers
TW

So what is HM?

And I thought it was Hetal Malide (got it?)

Anyway, Matty can cut this plant any way he wants to as he has it all over the tank anyway

I actually remove my plants (which are planted with about 6 to 8 stems per bunch) and trim off the bottom (depending how tall it got, maybe between 2 to 5 inches). Then I divide the tops into bunches (the previous bunch usually doubles at least in stem numbers) and replant them - which, btw, is really easy, just plug it into the substrate between 1 and 2 inches deep.


Matty - nice shot of the tank, tetratech pointed out the lack of background and hardscape, so no further comment needed here. All looks healthy and well maintained, very impressive for the fact that you went away. Any negative effects of that time period?

Ingo

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Yep, I take the scissors horizontally and hack off the tops. It's too much work to pull it up and cut the bottoms and replant as LF suggested, but I do that once in a while. The stuff floats real good so I just catch it all at the top with a net. It creates a mess, yeah, but during the water change I can suck up most of the small bits.


Hetal Malide, LF?

Actually all the plants save the blyxa looked better than when I left, oddly.

Thanks for the comments.

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Hmm, that sounds like a lot of work to keep it low - all that replanting of tiny stems. If I try this plant, I think I'll try Matty's mowing method.

Thanks for explanation. I'll have to think on it

Cheers
TW

Actually all the plants save the blyxa looked better than when I left

When I went down to NC a week ago I cut down to just 96W's on my tank. It was kind of wild to see the growth I got from the need to get to the light.

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Look what we got in at work this week, going to be recarpeting tank :

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Uhhhh,

Nice, I take it that it is an emersed growth form, right? I have never seen it emeresed, but I would guess it behaves like most plants, meaning loss of all leaves and such.

How much of this is going to end up in your tank, and for how much does the store sell what size?

Ingo

EDIT: Actally - your shot looks like a grave with a hedge planted on top and the head stone in the back

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The pearl grass never lost its emersed grown leaves until I cut them off. I'm pretty sure with the round tiny leaves that this is emersed though, but I'm expecting a pretty smooth transition. We'll see though. I'm wanting to entirely recarpet the tank, hoping it will grow a little slower, and stay a little lower.

They come overflowing out of the 2" round plastic pots for 4 dollars to the general public.

I only got 2 pots yesterday. I want to see how well it grows before getting any more. Plus the store will only buy back so much of my pearl grass at one time.

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Well Matty, I really would like you to document the planting of the HC, I found it pretty hard to keep it in the substrate, but I only had a small batch with little roots available.

I assure you that it grows reeeeeaaaaalllllllyyyyy slow, actually - I was going to ask here and in my club why they think mine in the 40G has just doubled in its tiny size since being added like 6 months ago.

Ingo

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There's not going to be a whole lot to document. I'm not going to be planting individual stems or anything to speed up the process. I'm going to take it out of the pot and remove the potting medium as best I can and put the whole thing into the gravel. I may pull each in half, so I have four patches, but that's it. I had more than I could take of tedious planting when I did the glosso in the death star . I'll remove the pearl grass as the HC grows or buy more HC if it does well but grows too slow.

I will document growth for you, so we know what's up in that department. Yours was shaded quite a bit in the 40 for a while I can imagine, so that may be the problem, but who knows?

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Hi,
Matt, the problem I had with trying to "plant" this type
of plant was that I could not get it to stay where I put
it. I tried holding it down to the surface of the gravel
with a net. I tried placing some stones or gravel at the
4 corners and a spot in the middle and virtually
nothing worked.
I finally tossed it when it became "infected" with algae.
When (if) I try a plant similar to this again, I'll plant
each plant individually with some tweezers and space them
about 1/2 inch apart and see if it won't grow into the
spaces. I've also decided that I needed "finer"
gravel/sand when next I try.

Frank


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Thanks LF, Frank. I'll try what I can without the tweezers, like I said, and will let you know how it goes. You are all probably right, but I've never had to use tweezers on anything before, even the glosso in the death star.

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What you need to do with a plant like HC is you push it in to the substrate so you basically don't see the plant anymore and then you pull it back up slightly with tweezers. This will allow the substrate to fall in place tightly around the roots. As long as you guys don't blow your supercharged, flow-crazy filters over it, it should stay put. Certainly bottom dwellers like corys or loaches are not gonna help. BTW - According to Robert Hudson of Aquabotanic some suppliers are now calling HC Dwarf Baby Tears.

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keen to see how this works for your Matty. I've never used tweezers either, but I guess I coud try it Jeff's way.

Cheers
TW

The only plants that I plant by hand rather than by tweezers are the ones with a massive root system (like a large crypt, sword, etc) where I have to dig a huge hole in the substrate first anyway. All other plants go in with a tweezer, I find it so much easier to keep the plant in the substrate and undamaged during the plant.

Ingo

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Special plant tweezers? Longer than normal ones I guess

Cheers
TW

Matty,

It's going to be VERY hard to plant the HC while the tank is full of water. Ideally you would take out just about ALL of the water so that there's just enough to keep the substrate wet. Then plant them as tetra said. Break them into little clumps and space them an inch or so apart. Then refill the water carefully as to not create a disturbance. I've found it EXTREMELY difficult to keep it down when planting with any water on top of it.

Good luck with it! I've said elsewhere, i haven't had problems growing the stuff as long as there's a lot of CO2, but that may be because I have it in a 2.5 so there isn't much space between the light and the substrate.

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I have about 6 different plant tweezers, straight and bent (at the bottom). 99% of the time I use the smallest of them, about 4 to 5 inches long. Only once in a while do I use a taller (and wider) one, usually when the plant base (roots) is wider than the small tweezers but doesn't rectify me digging holes with my fingers.

Someday I may take a picture of my tools,

Ingo

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Took some shots, ended up getting side tracked by the amanos. Ah well. Hope it won't bore you to death. Also a couple pics of my temporary HC solution. I'll get around to actually planting it, though I guess nobody will like the way I go about it.

And finally the last thing before I get to the pictures is to mention the sort-of redo I'll be undertaking soon, probably tuesday. It involves a bit of a surprise, I won't give a hint yet, I know how insightful LF can be with the slightest hint. I'll only say it's a little bit more exciting than the background.

And to the pics:

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I'll only say it's a little bit more exciting than the background.

Ha, that's easy - Either it is T5/MH high tech lighting or a rimless replacement tank.

Or maybe you got your hands on a lilly pipe or something along these lines.

Anyway, awesome pictures, and I am glad to read that the HC salad head plant style is only temporary

Ingo

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Nice shrimp pics. The second one reminds of the race between the Rabbit and the Turtle, but this time it's a Shrimp and a Snail.

Nice HC. Suppliers are starting to call this Dwarf Baby Tears now. Somehow HC Cuba sounds more exotic and

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The second one reminds of the race between the Rabbit and the Turtle

- That was my thought as well, tetratech, but I couldn't come up with the name in English .

Ingo

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