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Hi,
Matt, the problem I had with trying to "plant" this type
of plant was that I could not get it to stay where I put
it. I tried holding it down to the surface of the gravel
with a net. I tried placing some stones or gravel at the
4 corners and a spot in the middle and virtually
nothing worked.
I finally tossed it when it became "infected" with algae.
When (if) I try a plant similar to this again, I'll plant
each plant individually with some tweezers and space them
about 1/2 inch apart and see if it won't grow into the
spaces. I've also decided that I needed "finer"
gravel/sand when next I try.

Frank


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Thanks LF, Frank. I'll try what I can without the tweezers, like I said, and will let you know how it goes. You are all probably right, but I've never had to use tweezers on anything before, even the glosso in the death star.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

What you need to do with a plant like HC is you push it in to the substrate so you basically don't see the plant anymore and then you pull it back up slightly with tweezers. This will allow the substrate to fall in place tightly around the roots. As long as you guys don't blow your supercharged, flow-crazy filters over it, it should stay put. Certainly bottom dwellers like corys or loaches are not gonna help. BTW - According to Robert Hudson of Aquabotanic some suppliers are now calling HC Dwarf Baby Tears.

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keen to see how this works for your Matty. I've never used tweezers either, but I guess I coud try it Jeff's way.

Cheers
TW

The only plants that I plant by hand rather than by tweezers are the ones with a massive root system (like a large crypt, sword, etc) where I have to dig a huge hole in the substrate first anyway. All other plants go in with a tweezer, I find it so much easier to keep the plant in the substrate and undamaged during the plant.

Ingo

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Special plant tweezers? Longer than normal ones I guess

Cheers
TW

Matty,

It's going to be VERY hard to plant the HC while the tank is full of water. Ideally you would take out just about ALL of the water so that there's just enough to keep the substrate wet. Then plant them as tetra said. Break them into little clumps and space them an inch or so apart. Then refill the water carefully as to not create a disturbance. I've found it EXTREMELY difficult to keep it down when planting with any water on top of it.

Good luck with it! I've said elsewhere, i haven't had problems growing the stuff as long as there's a lot of CO2, but that may be because I have it in a 2.5 so there isn't much space between the light and the substrate.

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I have about 6 different plant tweezers, straight and bent (at the bottom). 99% of the time I use the smallest of them, about 4 to 5 inches long. Only once in a while do I use a taller (and wider) one, usually when the plant base (roots) is wider than the small tweezers but doesn't rectify me digging holes with my fingers.

Someday I may take a picture of my tools,

Ingo

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Took some shots, ended up getting side tracked by the amanos. Ah well. Hope it won't bore you to death. Also a couple pics of my temporary HC solution. I'll get around to actually planting it, though I guess nobody will like the way I go about it.

And finally the last thing before I get to the pictures is to mention the sort-of redo I'll be undertaking soon, probably tuesday. It involves a bit of a surprise, I won't give a hint yet, I know how insightful LF can be with the slightest hint. I'll only say it's a little bit more exciting than the background.

And to the pics:

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

I'll only say it's a little bit more exciting than the background.

Ha, that's easy - Either it is T5/MH high tech lighting or a rimless replacement tank.

Or maybe you got your hands on a lilly pipe or something along these lines.

Anyway, awesome pictures, and I am glad to read that the HC salad head plant style is only temporary

Ingo

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Nice shrimp pics. The second one reminds of the race between the Rabbit and the Turtle, but this time it's a Shrimp and a Snail.

Nice HC. Suppliers are starting to call this Dwarf Baby Tears now. Somehow HC Cuba sounds more exotic and

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The second one reminds of the race between the Rabbit and the Turtle

- That was my thought as well, tetratech, but I couldn't come up with the name in English .

Ingo

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Yeah, the supplier we got it from has it all goofy. micranthemum umbrosium is giant baby's tears, HM is baby's tears, and HC is dwarf baby's tears. Ah well. It's just nice to see them get it in. Maybe they will start working on nana petite.

I guess I'll have to give you that hint now. Tetratech will be happy about the surprise.

Thanks for the comments

Oh and I think it was the tortoise and the hare.

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Oh and I think it was the tortoise and the hare.

O.K. Do you want to start communicating by exact words on this forum, because that could be really dangerous.

Tetratech will be happy about the surprise

Do you want me to try and guess?

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Tetratech will be happy about the surprise.

Pool Filter Sand, or Petrified Wood, or Green Water?

Ingo

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O.K. Do you want to start communicating by exact words on this forum, because that could be really dangerous.

Sheesh, someone's a bit touchy. I just thought the rabbit and the turtle sounded funny 'tis all.

LF still isn't on target...and of course you are welcome to guess Jeff. It's something you keep telling me to get for this tank. I thought LF would've gotten it on that hint.

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Sheesh, someone's a bit touchy. I just thought the rabbit and the turtle sounded funny 'tis all

No I'm not touchy, , just trying to feel out the conversational tone.

LF still isn't on target...and of course you are welcome to guess Jeff. It's something you keep telling me to get for this tank. I thought LF would've gotten it on that hint.

Well, it sounds like you got a hold of some nice wood

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Ding ding! A winner!

It's branchy driftwood...yay!



I'll get a couple shots up here in a few of the dw in the tub....still soaking. I'm thinking I'll actually have to tie some rocks to it. It's been a few days and this thing doesn't want to sink. It's pretty good sized, might stretch across 2/3s of the tank with the branches. I hope it will look good, and not over dominating or something.

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Matt , great shots of the shrimp etc . Look forward to the next installment with the new Driftwood . Should be fun .

Garry

It's branchy driftwood

- Oh well, I thought you may have something really special

In any case, I am for sure looking forward to seeing your driftwood as well,

Ingo

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Thanks Jeff, Ingo, Garry.

Oh well, I thought you may have something really special

Sheesh, I hope this lives up to the hype. I said it was only a little more exciting than the new background .

So without further ado;

The new DW soaking....still doesn't sink on it's own after five and a half days:


DW in, a lot of potomogeton removed:


Potomogeton back in, filling:


Filled, and one on angle.....I remember there being a lot more potomogeton




And one with the 5.5 shrimp tank (new crypts yay!):


So I really like it, it's a little large....so I'm not sure if everyone is going to go for it. The right most rock is out of place. Any help there would be appreciated. Comments and crits please, lay it on me.

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Hi Matt,
Great start for the tank. Yes, the placement of some
of the hardscape "bothers me" but I'd prefer to have
the tank mature for a couple of months before suggesting
something specific.

Frank


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I think it looks good. The Potomogeton seems to flow with the driftwood. I think that the far left rock is also a little out of place, maybe if you buried it halfway?
Another thought, the far right side of the tank loos just a little to empty now that the wood is in so it isn't balanced like before. If you add some more Potomogeton on that side it may fit in nicely.


-Vincent

Well, when you want to create a focal point, you don't mess around.

I would lose all the rocks they don't do that nice piece of wood justice. You need to decide how your going to support that focal point.

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Matty,

Looks great! Very "pond shore" looking if you will Wish I could get mine looking like that. Great job!

Nice shrimp tank too.

Matt , love the driftwood . Its a great piece .
I think I agree with Tetra its a great focal point and needs to be supported with some great rock and maybe a lighter color gravel to draw the eye .
Anyway just a thought , but this is going to be a sensational looking tank when it develops .
Already looks fantastic .
Well done .
Garry

Matty,

It actually does look pretty nice. I am with tetratech on the rocks being rather disturbing, but I also assume that you need quite a few of them to keep the wood down. Did you read in my 125G log that the driftwood branches which I removed during the last makeover had 2 of them that were still floating up, after being in the tank for at least a year (or something like that)? Be prepared for a long term solution on holding your's in place.

Otherwise, very nice. I think the wave shape of the branch could somehow find a similar wave in the substrate, to complement each other. Now the substrate seems just flat.
Also, what about some Nana Petits on the extended part of the branch?

Ingo

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Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate it. I was really happy not to hear anyone say "move it to the ___ a little bit" . Or "it would look better if you cut the long arm halfway". So far I'm willing to go with all the suggestions.

Be prepared for a long term solution on holding your's in place.

I did tie a rock to the underside of the DW using some fishing line, and that will hold the peice under water, but the arm wants to go up still. It seemed to continually sink more and more, so I'm hoping, but you may be right LF. Those other rocks really helped with that, and they are holding some pellia in place for now. Does that stuff like to attach to wood? I could possibly use that instead of the petite nana. I wouldn't mind using petite nana though. Or maybe a fissidens sp. might work, what does evreryone think?

Looking at it in real life I do really like the three big rocks (not the ones on the DW). I'd like to keep them and possibly use them to balance out the right side. I also really like how the potomogeton kinda pops out between them and the DW. To me it creates depth, it's just I thought the one closest to the front and right looked odd. If I pushed it back right it might look good. Also, once there's some plant material in front of them, they might be less disturbing. I'm keeping my thoughts open to removing them though.

I like your comment on the flatness Ingo. Maybe that was what Jeff was getting at saying to support the focal point. It would be easy to throw a rock over there and have the pearl grass grow up over it. Might add some three dimensionality. otherwise I guess we are talking stems or hardscape?

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

Matty,

I think, but I am not certain, pellia is overall like Riccia from its growth form, meaning I don't think it attaches itself to anything. Its advantage over Riccia is that it sinks naturally and as such doesn't push itself upwards.

Fissidens is the plant that you cannot have, I am planning on having it so it is booked - In other words, a great idea as well.

About the even substrate. Yeah, I was thinking hardscape, but not woods or rock, I thought more in line with changing the substrate itself to have some higher and lower areas.

Ingo

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That's a nice piece of wood you have there Matty. What is the plant you have on the left hand side?

Cheers
TW

Fissidens is the plant that you cannot have, I am planning on having it so it is booked - In other words, a great idea as well.

Well LF, My Downoi is gone so you can have that and let Matty take the Fissidens. I also think that Fissidens would look nice on the wood. Pella would be too heavy looking and I think riccia would be too light.

I am with you Matty about the rocks. I think that to do work pretty well. Maybe just play with the big one on the right. That's the only one that doesn't seem to fit for me.

I think you should move the DW an inch to the left.... Just messing around...

Now you have my 2 cents and can go one with life...

55G Planted tank thread
19G Container Pond
[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric

Glad everyone likes the fissidens idea, there's some in the mail right now. Will probably take a week to get here though.

I also got some super cheap tenellus from work to maybe grow up over the HM on the right and create a little texture. Moving the rock back there might help a bit too (glad you like the rocks wings ).

So far work has been eating my life, so I haven't gotten anything done on the tank other than dump a couple plants and some ferts in there. The store got some furcatas in, so it looks like I'll be adding to my current group of three.

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So I'm due for my monthly update. I hope LF doesn't mind I'm a little late. I just got done with a water change. Major trimming of the lawn from last week is still a little noticeable...the HM is usually shocked for about a week, then takes right off again. It won't be so flat in a few days.

I moved the rock on the right back and a little more to the right. I think it looks a lot better. The tenellus is more apparent this week, and the stargrass in the corner is doing pretty well. I'll have to decide what I like and don't still.

The weird black things are the fissidens "containers". The fissidens is starting to grow out of them, so they must like it here. I'm kind of growing attached to the pelia on the dw though. It's interesting. I also got a new batch of petite nana....and happened to get a pearling shot . Those things and the bare patch where the HC is slowly growing (look mom no tweezers!) all detract from the aquascape, but are a little part of my collectoritis.

So on to the pics:

I'll start with the aforementioned petite nana pearling shot. Talk about macro:


Finally a nice clear shot of a furcata:


And finally the FTS:


Sorry about the lax in posting in everyone's threads. I don't blame you if you don't respond . I try my best. I've been working 45hr weeks, have 6 hrs. of classes, my mod duties here and my new duties at Adam's new site here, and some social life. AND I got sick on my last day off. Ack, what happened to summer breaks?

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

wow mate sounds like your busy, busy at the moment! why not grab yourself a six pack and forget about it all for a couple of hours. thats my cure for being busy (/pretty much any ailment). any way dont wear yourself out mate.
okey enough from dr dan- the tank looks brilliant mate. i actually like the rocks, they kind of stand out with their brash shapes. a bit of contrast always looks good.

Sorry about the lax in posting in everyone's threads. I don't blame you if you don't respond . I try my best. I've been working 45hr weeks, have 6 hrs. of classes, my mod duties here and my new duties at Adam's new site here, and some social life. AND I got sick on my last day off. Ack, what happened to summer breaks?

Hate to break this to you buddy, but it get's worse. Wait to you have kids, have to work 45hrs in one day (look at poor Ingo) and become a mule for your family. Taking them to and fro and carrying all their &*$#.

Anyway, I really like the center with the wood and the Gayi. I know you've been "busy", but the rocks don't do it for me you need more exposed substrate and smaller rocks to work with that size wood.

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lol, tetra. Thanks for painting such a rosy picture for us young guys. Maybe I'll hold off on buying that ring for the GF...

Matty, I too like the center section. And I don't really mind the rocks. I just want to replace all that HM with HC, and maybe you do too. The scape is right, I just wonder what it would look like with some nice thick HC.

And good shot of the furcata. They must be tough to freeze, buzzing around like flies.

Finally, don't worry about being MIA. I'm there too my friend, it happens.

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Finally, don't worry about being MIA. I'm there too my friend, it happens.

Yeah I see why they call you Nowher
Anyway, I'm telling you the bad stuff, but the good stuff far outweights it. It's kinda like an HC foreground. It's a lot of work, but the reward is great
Just remember when you have kids, they don't leave and you can't either. It's a big ad if you have a good support network.

Matty, forgot beautiful macro shot!

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Matty, forgot beautiful macro shot!

Nice fuzzy stuff too!

55G Planted tank thread
19G Container Pond
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Thanks for the compliments everyone, I appreciate the comments.

have to work 45hrs in one day

I don't mean to be rude, but I think you are making things up here . As I recall, there's only 24 hrs in a day. Also if you can remember that far back You'll remember 6 hrs of classes never = six hours of work. At least not in my fields. Just had to get you back a bit there for making me sound like a whiner. I'm not whining, I'm explaining . 45 hours a week of fish is plenty for me. I do on the order of 200-300 water changes per week.

Just remember when you have kids, they don't leave and you can't either.

Sounds terrible....I'm sorry. I don't think I'm the kids type. Thankfully my gf isn't either. We'd rather have a few animals.

Nice fuzzy stuff too!

Hey! *shakes fish at nowher* Lets see some of your slow growing plants that close up! Thanks for the compliments on the furcata shot at least .

Well back to the tank. I agree that if I end up with an HC (and I would like that wings )carpet, that I'll need smaller rocks. As they are in person, they don't look real big or obtrusive or even as angular. I'll give a matty angle sometime to illustrate that. Anyhow this was more to show I was alive and that the tank still has water in it more than anything else. Thanks for the crits I'll keep working it towards where I want it, it isn't there for sure, but better than it was.

Oh yeah, for you moss lovers out there....I forgot to show more of my colectoritis. Theres a bit of flame moss front and center. I'm thinking of throwing that in the 5.5 and removing the moss that's already there.

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