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Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | I have a 29g with guppies, platies, neons, glowlights, cories, khuli loaches, a single BN and 1 german ram. Some of the platies, especially the smaller male have white spots on their body, it's mostly on the edge of their fins, some of the platies look like they've had tiny me What is it?/What could it be? I've had ich before in this tank. How do I treat It? Thanks In advance. R_Boy1 |
Posted 11-Jul-2007 20:20 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | Here is some info about Ich it will help you As far as Meds Having Khuli Loaches and Neons I would strongly recommended getting a Ich Med that is suitable for scaleless fish and read thec instructions extremly carefully. If you have any further concerns please ask more questions as this is the only way we can help you. Your location might help some one then might be able to suggest a good brand name to use. I would also treat the fish with Melafix and Pimafix. WHITE SPOT ICH “White-spot” Parasite, Ichthyophthirius multifiliis This disease is easy to recognise, as the skin of the infected fish becomes covered with white spots, each the size of a pinhead. Each spot represents the site of one, or sometimes two, parasites. All parts of the body gills, may be attacked. The causative agent is named Ichthyophthirius multifiliis. It is a spherical and large by protozoan standards, measuring up to 1mm in diameter. Short, hair-like processes known as cilia are spread densely over the surface. A horseshoe-shape nucleus is also present which is clearly visible under the microscope. By the means of the cilia the parasite rotates vigorously and burrows into the surface la Reproduction occurs away from the host. After maturing in the skin, which takes a few days to three weeks, depending on the temperature, the parasite bores out, swims away and comes to rest on a submerged ob Symptoms If the protozoan is introduced into a tank containing healthy fish, little harm may occur, other than a fleeting infection with a few parasites. If however, the fishes are already weakened for some other reason, e.g. lack of oxygen, the parasite will quickly cover the whole body surface, causing irritation and opening up wounds for secondary infections. The host mobility may become affected. In sever cases, death may result. Prevention If white-spot appears in an otherwise healthy tank, the parasite “must” have been introduced either as an adult on a newly acquired fish, or as the cyst form on, for example new stones, a plant or even added water. The only certain method of prevention, is to quarantine all new stock, including stones, plants etc; preferably in water at a temperature of 77F. Allow one week’s quarantine. Treatments There are too many treatments today to recommend any specific one. Many can be bought easily at aquarium outlets. Several very interesting points to think about. Very easy to recognise. Its reproduction cycle. No host they will die. If introduced into a healthy tank little harm may occur. Pay attention to all tank details. Weakened fish, and lack of oxygen can/may and will cause sever deaths. All this is usually caused by poor tank maintenance and/or incorrect and faulty equipment. Prevention is the best cure A Parasite “must” be introduced into the tank. This information was collected from Fresh Water Tropical Fish Have a look in [link=My Profile] http://www.fishprofiles.com/forums/member.aspx?id=1935[/link] for my tank info Look here for my Betta 11Gal Desktop & Placidity 5ft Community Tank Photos Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 02:54 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | Here is ome more info that was posted (see below) Sorry I did not save the Members name. The key facts to remember about White Spot (and I'm sure Keith has covered these, but I'll repeat them just in case) are:[1] Only one part of the life cycle of Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, the causative parasite, is usceptible to medication, which means that ...[2] Medication has to be applied even when the symptoms appear to have gone for up to 7 days afterwards, to make sure that all the susceptible stages of the parasite have been eliminated.The parasite in question has a three stage life cycle. The part that manifests itself is the trophont or feeding stage. This stage burrows through the fish's slime coat, attaches itself to the outer la Posted 24-Nov-2006 01:48 Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 03:03 | |
Calilasseia *Ultimate Fish Guru* Panda Funster Posts: 5496 Kudos: 2828 Votes: 731 Registered: 10-Feb-2003 | That was something I posted a while back Keith. Good of you to remember it in full though! Every little helps when helping a newcomer beat the dreaded White Spot |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 05:35 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | I might not have the best eye sight but MR Copy and Paste are very goods friends of mine especially here. I try to copy the good info in my Word Doc Fish Profiles you never know when it will help. Looking for some info in search can be rather difficult for new members. Thank you. Have a look in [link=My Profile] http://www.fishprofiles.com/forums/member.aspx?id=1935[/link] for my tank info Look here for my Betta 11Gal Desktop & Placidity 5ft Community Tank Photos Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 08:55 | |
Calilasseia *Ultimate Fish Guru* Panda Funster Posts: 5496 Kudos: 2828 Votes: 731 Registered: 10-Feb-2003 | Ah, you maintain independent archives. A very good idea. |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 17:30 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | Okay, so melafix and pimafax? Okay,, thanks you lot. R_Boy1 |
Posted 12-Jul-2007 21:56 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | I dont know where you are but it would not hurt to store your prepared water for one week other wise all you are doing is reinfecting you tank each time you do a water change, that is if is coming through your tap water. Have a look in [link=My Profile] http://www.fishprofiles.com/forums/member.aspx?id=1935[/link] for my tank info Look here for my Betta 11Gal Desktop & Placidity 5ft Community Tank Photos Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 13-Jul-2007 03:16 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | Oh I forgot to say where I am, I'm in the uk. I don't think that it is coming through the tap water, I think it developed from stress, because you see, I have multiple female platies but with two males. the two males fight quite often, I've put the larger male in a plastic breeder box because He attacks the smaller male, I have two red platies, the smaller male is one. the red female is the other 1. The larger dalamtion platy chases the smaller red male every occasion it can do so. It chases and "Pecks" the female occasionally. It also chases the small red platy fry I have living in the tank, all the other fish leave the fry alone. The small red male platy was the first one I saw with these white spots. Off to the LFS this weekend to buy some melafix & pimafax. I wish the male platies would get on fine like male guppies do. ARGH!! I didn't know Ich could spread through tap water! wow, you really do learn something new everyday! annddddd... what does a hydra look like? could somebody post a picture? I think I have 1 in my tank, it is attached to a vallisnernia (sp) plant I have in the tank. |
Posted 13-Jul-2007 08:01 | |
FRANK Moderator Posts: 5108 Kudos: 5263 Votes: 1690 Registered: 28-Dec-2002 | Hi, Most consider them pests and a result of poor conditions in an aquarium. http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/Hydra.htm http://northern.edu/natsource/INVERT1/Hydra1.htm http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1008616004017366583ngulSIYnSn Hope this helps... Frank -->>> The Confidence of Amateurs, is the Envy of Professionals <<<-- |
Posted 13-Jul-2007 10:10 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | Hi guys. The "Hydra" has gone. can hydras move around or do they stay in a fixed position until they die? thanks guys. R_Boy1 |
Posted 13-Jul-2007 20:42 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | |
Posted 15-Jul-2007 18:01 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | If I am correct Ich has to be introduced into a tank and it can be by several methods, water, plants, unclean house practices, and new fish. To help it never becoming a problem precaution is the best medicine. Certainly if you only have a small outbreak stressd out fish will be the the first to go down with it. Have a look in [link=My Profile] http://www.fishprofiles.com/forums/member.aspx?id=1935[/link] for my tank info Look here for my Betta 11Gal Desktop & Placidity 5ft Community Tank Photos Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 16-Jul-2007 05:46 | |
ScottF Fish Addict Addiction Hurts!! Posts: 542 Kudos: 330 Votes: 355 Registered: 28-May-2007 | rookie- your really want to get your nitrites and ammonia down to 0ppm each. It looks like you have a little mini-cycle going there. Did you do a major WC, or gravel cleaning? Did you introduce several new fish at once, upsetting the bio load on the filter? Those sort of things could lead to a mini-cycle. The fish do seem to be more susceptible to getting Ich when they are stressed, and cycling or water parameters that are off will stress them... That has definitely been a problem for me! Good luck, give us an update! |
Posted 17-Jul-2007 01:14 | |
Joe Potato Fish Addict Kind of a Big Deal Posts: 869 Votes: 309 Registered: 09-Jan-2001 |
Hydra usually stay pretty sessile, but they can and will move around if it is in their best interest. Joe Potato |
Posted 17-Jul-2007 01:48 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | Okay guys, Yes I did a major water change & gravel vacuum along with adding 4 new fish 3 days ago. One of the glowlights disapearred a week ago, I guess the body's decompostion helped the ammonia/nitrites rise. Thanks. |
Posted 17-Jul-2007 08:13 | |
ScottF Fish Addict Addiction Hurts!! Posts: 542 Kudos: 330 Votes: 355 Registered: 28-May-2007 | I dont know about the decomposition thing but I am sure you probably removed a bunch of bacteria by cleaning the gravel and doing a large WC in conjunction with a new heavey bio load on the filter. There's where your cycle (spike in amm/nitrites) came from. |
Posted 17-Jul-2007 14:17 | |
ScottF Fish Addict Addiction Hurts!! Posts: 542 Kudos: 330 Votes: 355 Registered: 28-May-2007 | Here's another good article I found regarding Ich: http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/disease/freshwater/ich.html How is it going with your Ich? Are you still seieng white spots? |
Posted 19-Jul-2007 03:50 | |
Rookie_Boy1 Hobbyist Posts: 53 Kudos: 27 Votes: 0 Registered: 14-Apr-2007 | Thanks scottF. most of the fish have lost their spots, but there is one fish with white spots that won't go away. The spots become more noticeable when the male platies are out and about. |
Posted 22-Jul-2007 16:38 | |
keithgh *Ultimate Fish Guru* Posts: 6371 Kudos: 6918 Votes: 1542 Registered: 26-Apr-2003 | Can you tell us exactly what treatment (brand name) you are using and its strength. You should not be adding any fish at all until the tank is fully cleaned of Ich this could easly take another month. What temp is the tank? Are you storing and treating the water before you do a water change? Also are you using Melafix at all if not I would highly recommend it? Have a look in [link=My Profile] http://www.fishprofiles.com/forums/member.aspx?id=1935[/link] for my tank info Look here for my Betta 11Gal Desktop & Placidity 5ft Community Tank Photos Keith Near enough is not good enough, therefore good enough is not near enough, and only your best will do. I VOTE DO YOU if not WHY NOT? VOTE NOW VOTE NOW |
Posted 23-Jul-2007 03:10 | |
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