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Used to go fishing almost weekly and spear fishing while on school holidays down the coast.

Well now im working and cant find the time. I can go hunting when i like if i go to my cousins place (they have a large property) but it has been a while.

ps. With a thread like this it aint the cute ones you have to watch

p.l.u.r
Matt

Cake > Pie

does anyone here hunt or fish. dont ry to be cute and say something about your aquariums

Let's keep this civil and friendly.

I have never gone hunting myself, but I do fish occasionally. In fact, I'll be fishing quite a bit over the next 3 days. I do agree with GreenMonkey that hunting is important as far as 'population control' is concerned. So long as the animal is killed as quickly as possible and you're not just killing for fun then I see nothing wrong with either one.

Jason

GoldenDojo....you have a very innacurate view of fishing.

I do not hunt, but I do fish...at every opportunity.

i think that just because we are advanced enough to use hooks and nets it doesn't set us apart from a bear or lion. also catch and release doesn't kill the fish 99% of the time. if you do it right and the fish wasn't deeply hooked they will live about 75% of the time

As long as you use the fish you catch (and not catch and release because 99% of the time those fish die from their injuries), then I don't see how fishing is cruel. Animals catch fish and rip them apart alive. Humans catch fish with hooks and nets. If anything, it's the animals that are being cruel to fish.

Humans ARE made to eat meat. Therefore we are made to hunt and fish, and therefore it is not cruel. And since humans ARE a species of animal, it's all part of nature. Just because we use different methods of catching our prey doesn't make it more cruel.

Now when people catch something and don't use it, or only one part of it and leave the rest (i.e. killing a rhino for its horn, tigers for their spleen or whatever, sharks for their fins), I believe that is wrong.


Jake - For about a year I've been planning a line of anti-plant-eating products. One of them is a bumpersticker that says "Salad is Murder!" and has a picture of lettuce being chopped up.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

Let's just go ahead and ban eating all together. Maybe on a friday night instead of going out to eat, you can take the Mrs. out to a ammino acid recharge station...just sit at the table and have a matrix-like plug that you stick in your neck. Harvesting those poor defenseless vegetables is just too barbaric. I am going to start the first anti-eating campaign, with respect to the poor treatment of plants, and senseless slaughter of innocent flora. It will be called " Amino Acid Absorbers Against Senseless Slaughtering and Slicing of Salads".

A fish dieing of disease in not cruel, it is something that happens in the wild, in nature, too. What is cruel is going out of your way to senselessly massacre them, by tricking them out of their homes where they are sleeping with their family and then jamming a metal hook into their gills and brutally yanking them out of their homes and into a gross bucket where they die of oxygen starvation and other unnatural causes. And when their family wakes up to go look for them, they get taken and left to die in a bucket, too.

[span class="edited"][Edited by jason_r_s 2004-07-05 00:27][/span]

In America, there is a max of $1,000 fine a 1 year imprisonment for "cruel and unusual punishment" of animals. Why can't that include fishing? Fishing, IMO, is the fisrt thing I would ban if I were president. An example, the Peacock Bass. Stupid people go all the way down to a remote loaction in South America so they can kill not-so-defenseless cichlids for no reason, whatsoever. They don't care how intelligent of beautiful they are. They don't care if they are pregnant. All they care is that they get the biggest one. If they didn't they 10,000 eggs at a time, but were instead mouthbrooders and laid 10-20, they'd likely be extinct. That's why fishing for sport is barbaric.

Ban fishing! Let's start a petition!

hunting is not cruel. in the us white-tail deer are reaching massive populations and like in tanks if one get a disease the whole population of an area can get it. hunters are just trying to prevent this. a deer shot in the vitals and dying is less painful than a fish slowly dieing of a disease or bad water conditions

I dont see the point in hunting its crule and so id fishing but iv done the fishing part but i wont ever hunt!

i lived on a farm til i was about 8.. me and my dad used to hunt rabbit all the time, they are a pest AND they make a nice meal :^)

i also lived on a 45ft yacht for 5 years.... i travelled the whole east coast of australia, i fished every day, and used everything that i caught. my favourite fish to catch and eat is the Spanish Mackeral.... a lovely white meat, and if you bleed them just after they are caught and cut the fillets into small cubes then put the cubes in vinegar for a few hours.... they make a really nice pickeled fish.... it sounds stange but its REALLY nice and required no cooking.



[span class="edited"][Edited by Lindy 2004-07-06 07:07][/span]

i have 2 family friend who hunt.

One i have great respect for, he shoots for population control on farms AND uses the kill. He adores his guns and often goes and shoots clay targets. and all his kills are as humane as they can be.

the other, well, i remember a story about the 2 sons taking shots at diving ducks and killing and wounding some. this had no purpose. it caused distress and undue suffering. I dislike this type of 'hunting'.

I can and do occasionally fish, but if i'm keeping the catch, i don't put it in one of those keeper bags, they are awful.

Kill it straight up or let it go.

thats just me tho

So yes, i fish (if i plan on eating the catch), and if the need arose, i would hunt.


[span class="edited"][Edited by Callatya 2004-07-06 06:50][/span]

For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from, and (d) rocks. - Terry Pratchett

See, this is what i love about this thread when it pops up.....

One day, during the 1940's, two bored teenagers where sitting around in Germany. They saw a homeless cat, and threw a rock at it. However, they didn't see the 6ft. SS soldier who came around the corner. He saw what they did, and informed them about ehy it is wrong to be cruel to animals. See, even the most evil people who walked the earth have a sense of animal rights.

You find out really interesting things that back up even more interesting ideas, which interestingly enough, have nothing to do with the original post Fact is, as Lindy said, this thread is for those who do, its not a convention for those who dont to mount soap boxes and try to convert those of us who do these activities.

Ever used fly spray? Killed a mosquito or a spider in your house? See, look now im being silly too. Move on and leave the thread be.

p.l.u.r
Matt

Cake > Pie

...and a rabbit is a rodent

Actually rabbits (along with hares and hyraxes) are Lagomorphs, a completely different group of animals than rodents.

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I'm not your neighbor, you Bakersfield trash.

I like fishing. I often go fishing from my kayak on the rivers. lotsa fun.

I used to go hunting with my father but he has since had an irrepairable injury and I havent gone hunting since. I have shot rabbits, pigs, goats and cats. All of these are feral introduced species to Australia that are destructive to our environment.

I believe the initial post was....

does anyone here hunt or fish. dont ry to be cute and say something about your aquariums

Why does every post that remotely mentions fishing/hunting end up in an argument?

If you dont fish or hunt then dont post, okay? No one has tied you to your keyboard and forced you to respond. Just dont read it if its not a post you are interested in. The subject is a pretty obvious one just glancing at it from the Recovery Room.

In all fairness to greenmonkey who made the thread, allow the people who share the same interest as him to respond without being attacked and labeled.

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Before you criticize someone walk a mile in their shoes. That way you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

i hunt i fish
i love them both
rodents r highly inteligent animals
humans were designed as predators do u have eyes in the front of ur head teeth designed to cut n rip n grind
i spent 100s of hours outdoors ive never seen an old deer walking down the road with a cane n glasses askin for directions they die whether age starvation diesease cold winters mack truck lil passanger car my 50 cal sabot or vortex arrow head of by wolf n bear they die its nature
i hunt alot of animals n my arrow is alot more humane then watching 3 wolves run a deer across 2 concessions bout 2.5 miles rippen them apart fromt he inside out as the deer is still alive n running ive seen deer smashed by cars n trucks that limp into the bush line to die hours or even days later nature is nature
i believe in my reasoning that there should b an act or group established called Protect Our Rights To Eat the Animals

do u eat beef or pork those big macs n ball park franks r great but they dont grow on trees
do u wear leather do u drink milk we survive off animals hunting is a sport but its a tradition also n should b respected if u dont like it thats fine dont try to elimnate it

if thats the case i want football ended cuz it bothers me to see a bunch of big men violently smash eachother into the ground for a pig skin ball but thats a sport n hockey cuz u can fight thats not humane let us get rid of it

that wont happen i dont like it i turn the channel n dont participate

we lost the spring bear hunt here in canada becuz of ignorant misguided special animal interests groups its a crying shame i wont tolerate losen another game animal
btw for all those apposed to hunting come to northern canada n taek the 450lb male hungry black bear outta the streets thats eatin our dogs n threatin our kids u go feed them n protect them cuz there canibals they kill each other they also kill anything they see as food
think b4 u speak n take a good look at things b4 u act

i apoligize for my length in this post n my subtle anger but it jsut enrages me that ppl out there r so narrow minded n selfish

[span class="edited"][Edited by Lindy 2004-07-05 21:30][/span]

last time i checked rodents would be included in the thinking part of the living world...and a rabbit is a rodent so if rodents aren't thinking creatures then you shouldn't hve used it as an example.

and according to you u think reptiles and amphibians can be brutally slaughtered b/c they don't fit into your "thinking" ideal. yes they may rely mostly on instinct but that does not give them less right to exist than me and you. all living organisms have the chance to live and to do what seems fit for survival. I agree sporting can be cruel especially when the prey is wasted. but, if it is done for the good of the organism such as population control(and for most population control you do eat whatever you kill) or for the survival of our species then i don't believe it is morally inappropriate. Bonny is right how can we tell something thinks? And well we don't eat fish for the hell of it you know. we can get certain organic compounds that we can use (omega fatty acids for an example). well im done ranting... kudos to the veggie people, most humorous joke *claps*

one last comment, this discussion will get us no where really. we can debate this into eternity and not a single mind changed. people are too stubborn to see whats on the otherside of the steel door. when will you get the courage to look

I have fished most of my 66 years my Grandfather was a professional fisherman well over 100 ago so I can say its in my blood.

The fishing I do now is in tropical Australia in & off shore (not that Marlin joke) that is a different story.

We have several species that must be returned undersize & the breaders size. In the tropics off shore there are fish with teeth and fish with bigger teeth and so on.

Yes if there is blood the poor fish becomes food within seconds, but the law states all undersize must be returned.

With the extreme large fish 1000lb++ the boat will reverse back so that you go to the fish. A large species can be brought to the boat & tagged under 5min doing this. The main reason for this is as not to put any unnecessary stress on the fish before it is released.

As far as killing the fish you intend to keep if done correctly it takes less that a split second. Too many so called fisherman let them just die. This I am totally against, reasons it is cruel and the flesh becomes too tough. The Japanese anglers are perfectionests (spelling) at this humane method.

Keith

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