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Yeeeeah, we... ummm... didn't need to hear all that...

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Sorry guys, it was just one of those days and I had to make a joke of it.



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If you can't laugh at life then you can't really live. Its ok I know how such things go.

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Nono, didn't mean to try to make you feel bad. It was quite funny the way you said it...

But seriously, good luck with that. kidney stones are a man's worst enemy... ]:|

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As there have been no comments from any ladies, let me say good luck with the stone passing. I have heard it is the closest a man may get to experiencing childbirth. After, you will understand why men don't have the babies.
The new tank looks very interesting. Do you need to top it off daily? I'd grow an orchid nearby as they like humidity and it would be a good source of that.
As always it was a treat reading this thread.:%)

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Lumykrib,
Thanks for the good wishes, yes I would agree with the childbirth comparsion.

As far as the tank, seems it needs to be topped off maybe twice a week.

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hey tetra,

just checking in on this tank. in your other thread you mentioned BGA coming up... any thing happen with that or is it under control?

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Taking a break from the perverted brady bunch reality show?

Anyway, yes I did see some bga on the sand since I upped the light from 13w to 27w. I tested no3 which of cause was very low based on the fact that I wasn't dosing anything and my tap has little although I do have 12 fish in this tank. I also have very little plant mass in there so I decided to move some wisteria cuttings (what else) for now to help with the new ferts I'm adding.

Right now I'm going with excel, flourish, no3, po4.



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Interesting. Sounds like whats happening in my 2.5. My betta used to live there and i didnt use a light over it. Just had some anubias, very low maintenence. Since he died I have a 9watt lamp over it and some BGA is already growing on the anubias leaves. I think Im just going to experiment with this tank and see where it goes. Ive also been dosing no3 and po4. At least BGA is easier to get off of sand than gravel. use a turkey baster if you have one. IME it's the best/ easiest way to do it.

Re: the 12 fish. They're all tetras though, right? I think we overestimate how much waste little tetras like that put out. Definetely not enough to allow no3 to approach acceptable levels that would benefit plants.

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I think you right. It would probably take 1,000 tetras to equal the production of one bristlenose.

I do not some bottom feeders through to move the sand around. So I'll probably add some otos or I think there's a pygmy cory. I don't want anything too big or destructive. Actually I would love to add about 10 yamato shrimps, but I don't know how much they will move the sand.



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Have you considered malaysian trumpet snails? Add a hand full and they'll breed their own numbers up. They're natural burrowers so they like to dig and move the sand around. They also don't touch plants, they'll just feed on any left over fish food. I've actually found it amazing how close their breeding habits are tied to available food. Sometimes when I over feed, a day or so later I notice huge amounts of babies. When i cut back they're all gone. Control how much you feed your fish and that'll control the MTS. They do leave a bit of waste around though...

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I did think of the MTS, but alittle down on snails right now after how I saw how destructive the ramshorn snails where. Problem to is any strong digger will kick sand on top of the javamoss covered rocks, so maybe all cory's even the pygmys are out.



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I think pandas are safe. They are the smallest and I don't think they rearrange too much. They do like when you leave dips and valleys in the sand for them to play in. Definitely get otos, they have amazing algae eating qualities. I'm worried mine are going to eat themselves out of a home. They will be so disappointed when they have to resort to eating algae wafers!

I am also avoiding the whole Brady Bunch thing going on over in Little Fish's thread. Much saner here. For now...

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I am also avoiding the whole Brady Bunch thing going on over in Little Fish's thread

Watch it, or I am assigning you to one of the girls

Otos are actually rather picky algae eaters and don’t eat a broad variety either. And I believe no algae eater would eat BGA as it is a bacterium that is supposedly even poisonous.

I think NowherMan and tetratech are more looking for bottom creepers to keep the substrate lose, right?

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Yes, that's correct LF, but if you could find something to eat some BGA I would be grateful.

Pandas are a possibly, but there is a pygmy cory that I believe is even smaller. Going the other way has anyone ever seen a giant oto. I saw them in the LFS the other day. It was about the size of a BN but thinner.

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but if you could find something to eat some BGA I would be grateful.

If anyone found a species of fish that ate BGA they could make a mint breeding them. Sadly, I don't think anything eats it, and for good reson: supposedly it's on the toxic side to ingest.

Also I believe you're refering to cory. habrosus - I dont think they even break one inch. They're pretty small.

And if I may throw in another good word about MTS - I know youre jaded from experience with ramshorn snails, but MTS will not TOUCH plants... besides maybe climbing on them or pooping on them. You'll never see one munching though.

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Never heard of a giant Oto. So you say it is about 4 inches long?

Could it be that you saw a false SAE? Or maybe even a true SAE?

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It definitely had a face like an oto and I believe was lableled garanuatan Oto.

I think the cory. habrosus would probably work in the tank. Now I have to go find them.

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Hard to find locally, www.azgardens.com has them in stock.

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My fish reaction was, uh interesting but why would I want a giant oto. I beauty of the oto is it's small unintrusive way of eating algae.

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Hey guys,

Greetings from Indonesia! (just got here after spending a day in Singapore where I spent almost S$300 on fish tank stuff )

RE: the pygmy corys - there are 3 kinds of pymy-sized corys (5 actually, but 2 are quite impossible to find) that only get around 1" in size (def. much smaller than Pandas): c. Habrosus, c. Pygmaeus, c. Hastatus (in order of decreasing size). c. Hastatus and c. Pygmaeus spend most of their time on the middle water level (or sitting on leaves of plants ), so you won't see them sifting through substrate much if that's what you're looking for. c. Habrosus are bottow dwellers and my favorite in terms of cuteness and personality, but they're also the most delicate out of the 3. IME they also don't sift through substrates very well b/c of their tiny mouths.

Cheers!

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upikabu,

Nice to hear from you

Hope you have a nice vacation. Did you bump into Bensaf already? He should be easy to identify

Ingo

PS: thanks for the nice info on the tiny Cories.

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just got here after spending a day in Singapore where I spent almost S$300 on fish tank stuff )

You found the shop then ?

$300 ?! That was a bit much to be spending on my Chrissie pressie

He should be easy to identify

It's a terrible burden , but yes, somebody as tall and strikingly handsome as I, does tend to stick out. Plus, Indonesian spoken with a thick Irish accent is quite a strange sound."Tidak ada apa apa begorrah !"

I'm sure we'll be meeting up later. I'll bring a camera. You guys I'm sure would be interested in the aquatic markets. Myself and Paulus can do a mini FP field trip and post some pics. Or we can forget and just go have beers

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Thanks, Ingo - so far the vacation has gone off to a good start. Two days in and I already got 3 bags full of fish-related stuff.

You found the shop then ?
$300 ?! That was a bit much to be spending on my Chrissie pressie

Hi Bernard - yup, found the shop, thanks! Turns out to be very close to where I stayed, just a 5-min drive. Spent 2.5 hrs there going back and forth in that tiny shop and kept piling stuff on the tiny counter table. Too bad those ADA substrates are heavy. The plants displayed there and esp. at the shop next door made me want to cry/live in Singapore. It's light years better than the selection/quality of any shop I've been to in Oz. All kinds of awesome-looking mosses (DaFishMan would've drooled for sure) and rare (by Oz standards at least) plants in pristine conditions, without a spec of algae or rotting leaves. Needless to say, I've changed my schedule so that I can go back there on my way back.

I'll bring a camera. You guys I'm sure would be interested in the aquatic markets. Myself and Paulus can do a mini FP field trip and post some pics.

Great idea! I'm still kicking myself for not bringing a camera into that shop yesterday. ]:| I'll definitely take pics when I go to the fish markets in Taiwan & Hong Kong. Now I'm off to don my Elmer Fudd huntin' gear and go lookin' for that wabb...er, bensaf.



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Now you know why I can't resist the plant smuggling. A lot of real hard to find plants in those 2 shops and at great prices. Last time I was there I picked up Postegemon Helfiri (Downoi) for USD$3 a pot. This would sell for ten times as much in the US IF you could actually find it.

Amazing shrimp collection too, but I wouldn't try smuggling them.

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Some days you're the pigeon and some days you're the statue.

Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability.

Yeah, I can totally understand the smuggling now (not that I condone it of course ). At first glance I thought some of those plants were fake since they looked so perfect. Also can't believe all the different kinds of tiny shrimps they have too (saw a cute tiny baby Yamato shrimp on one of the moss-covered driftwood in NA's main tank).

P.S. BTW guys, bensaf sounds much younger than I thought. But definitely Irish.

P.P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread, tetra.

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P.P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread, tetra.
Just bring me something back and we'll call it even.



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P.S. BTW guys, bensaf sounds much younger than I thought. But definitely Irish.

Bloody hell, how old do you think I am ?] What were you expecting a cracked grandad voice? You'll be in for a greater shock when you meet me, nobody ever believes me when I tell them my age. Must be the Oil of Ulay....or the Guinness

Yep, never lost the Irish brogue and it still makes the ladies hearts melt, a'tall a'tall and the top 'o the mornin' to yis all.

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Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability.

Just bring me something back and we'll call it even.

A nice glass diffuser ok?

Yep, never lost the Irish brogue and it still makes the ladies hearts melt, a'tall a'tall and the top 'o the mornin' to yis all.

Hmm I think I'll need to bring along a translator when we meet.

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A nice glass diffuser ok
You got me an ADA glass diffusor, you really shouldn't have.

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So,

How is the tank coming along tetratech?

I envy you for being able to have a open top. Did a fish already jump ship?

Ingo

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No fish have jumped yet. I do keep the water level pretty far below the top.

I'm getting some BGA in the tank. I am dosing excel, no3, po4 and flourish for now.

What the like about the sand and open-top is the maintenance. If some of the sand get's some BGA on it I just gravel(sand) vac it out of the tank. I have a 50lb bag in the gargage so I just replace it when the sand runs low.

On a bigger tank, you really need a custom-made tank for that open-top affect, because the AGA and I think the Oceanic have that mid support piece in the middle which kinda ruins the asetitics of the whole thing.

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... you really need a custom-made tank for that open-top affect

I hear you. Either the glass would have to be much stronger ( $$$ ) or the cross braces would have to be made out of glass (as I have seen in pictures).

Ingo

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O.K.

It's been an eternity since I posted to my 12g sand bottom tank. I really haven't been doing much with it. The tank did have a bout with BGA when I switched to a stronger light and I seem to have won a over by doing water changes semi-weekly and putting a lot of plants in. I just keep throwing wisteria into the background of the tank and also floating pieces. I also strengthend the biofilter by putting a bag of my eheim substrate into the HOB. It's amazing the uses I find for Wisteria.





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Simple but nice. How do your plants do rooting into the sand? I am think about setting up a small Hex with sand in as a betta Heaven and I would probably use some of the plants I already have in there.

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Thanks Wingdsc, Yes it is very simple. Just wisteria and java moss. The wisteria is rooting very well in the sand. It's pool filter sand and it has a descent size grain to it.

Here's another shot without the floating wisteria. All the green basically surrounds the driftwood without taking the focus away from the high point of the wood.



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I tank is also pretty well stocked which I'll probably have to move some back to my 72g. Right now the tank has:

8 Gold Tetras
4 Black Neons
3 Otos
3 Kuli Loaches (To move around the sand)



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Seems like the tank is doing just fine.

But it starts to look a lot like your 72.

You must really love the Wisteria theme

Ingo

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Really nice looking tank. Did a great job on the rocks in front of the wood

I'd love to see something tall and thin at the back for some height. Not a lot, just a tuft here and there.

Not having a background works well on this tank.

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Thanks for the comments.

Wisteria, Here it seems to work as a background plant, but I do see where Bensaf is going, some strands here and there. That would add more dimension.

The BGA kinda ruined the first round with the java covered stones. I'm kinda doing an experiment. The stones on the corners now have hairnets covering the java and the ones in the middle are tied down. I want to see if there's any difference. I think the hairnets one will come in fuller because the stones are smooth and the coverage better.

Also do you guys like the bare stones in the front of the java covered ones or does it distract from the java and sand border constrast.



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Agree with others, the tank has come into its own.

As for the stocking, I don't see why you'd have to move any back to the 72 if you dont want, we all know how a little dense planting can make up for some slight over stocking...

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I like bare stones, when they fit into the overall picture.

I am not sure about the sand bottom and bare stones though, they may look better if they would be like half way buried in the sand, more natural.

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I like the bare stones on the sand, they give it a beach look, maybe add 3 more of varying sizes which would bring the total to 5 right? slightly bury some of them, group them one group of three and two on their own or something, whichever way looks better to you. This one puts me in mind of a Japenese Zen garden, thus the bare stones will go well with the moss covered ones.

Question, does the wisteria do well as a floater or does it prefer terra firma? Have you noticed a difference?

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Thanks for the comments. Maybe bury half way, I could try more but it might be too overwhelming.

Any kuli loach experts in the house. I always remember these guys hiding all the time and thinking they were a waste of money, because you never saw them, but these guys are always in the open. Is it the sand? Do they feel secure that they could always go into the sand if need be.




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I'd love to see something tall and thin at the back for some height. Not a lot, just a tuft here and there.

O.K. I was definitely inspired by this, but I'm not saying this is exacting what Bensaf had in mind, but let's just say it was a quick fix to see if I like the height in the back. What does everyone think and what plant is it?



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I like it,

I seems to be very skinny and grass like, is that a plant from the onion family?

Or maybe it is a crypt?

But you should get more of them

Ingo

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Sorry LF, guess again

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It can't be a sag either, they would die in that tank

It totaly looks like one of the onion guys.

So what is it?

Ingo

Maybe it is the one I had for one day, forgot the name though.

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Not so fast LF, this is too much fun, guess again.

What did you have for one day?

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That was a plant that grows rapidly, is not too rare, gets a little reddish on the leaves,

I think it was called Gayii

Ingo

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Oh yeah, your gayii is my diandra
So is it gayii -


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Blyxa aubertin (or something like it, starts with a though)

Ingo

EDIT: show a close-up

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Sorry . Where is Uncle Ben, I'm sure he can name this very exotic weed.



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So last try:

You say it is not in the onion, crypt, or sag families. Neither is it Gayii or Blyxa.

Is it in the Echinodorus family?

Ingo

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What ever the heck this plant is you should go get some more of them and just tell us what the heck they are.

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Not a sword LF. You planted tank people are a tough crowd. It's driving you crazy isn't it. . How 'bout if no one guesses by 8pm EST. I'll give the answer.




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What time zone are we going by for the record?


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I am going to steal my friends cammera tonight to show of some pics of my tank. I also got some new fish for it! Pretty pumped!


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Look forward to seeing your pics Wingdsc. we are talking eastern standard time.

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ok cool so will be back in an hour or so to find out whats up. I am going plant shoping!

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O.K. big hint it's common name rhyms with condo. I could here the disapproving voices -

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Yeah that's pretty much what I had in mind although maybe thicker bushes.

The positioning is a bit "neat" though, it's like both are the same distance from the side on each of the sides, i.e the right one is 6" from the right side of tank and the left is also 6 " from the left side of the tank. I'd move one a couple of inches closer to one side.

It's hard to tell from the pic but it looks like C.Retrospiralis. Any chance of a close up ?

EDIT: I somehow missed an entire page and didn't see all the above. Are you saying it's Mondo Grass ? Mondo - Condo ? Doesn't look like but the hell do I know about Mondo grass ?

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Are you saying it's Mondo Grass ? Mondo - Condo

Yes, now everyone's gonna say it's not a true aquatic and it will be dead in a few months. This was a piece I cut off from the mother plant that has been growing in my son's newt,white cloud tank for over 2 years. The tank is 3/4 filled to the top, so in an open top same idea.
Your description of "neat" is so dead on to my thinking it's scary It was going to say it's "too organized". I just threw it in an took pic, I will add some more and reorganize it.

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OK lets have a talk about this plant....I just bought some.....and couldn't find anything aquaria related....is it doomed?

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Are you sure it's Mondo grass ? Doesn't look loike any I've ever seen

But then again my lack of knowledge on Mondo is only matched by my lack of knowledge on how the female mind works

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Yeah it's definitely mondo grass. It has a very stiff emersed plant feel to it. It has a rhizome similiar to an anubias and it was only a few inches long when I bought it. It kinda looked like dwarf hairgrass but thicker strands. I anchored it between two rocks above in my son's tank under a 25watt bulb and it grew straight thru the screen cover with above 25% of the lenght out of the water.

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It looks the same as mine. It has a really stiff feel to it. I will post some close ups here in a bit.

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I will post some close ups here in a bit

Promises, promises. Where's your pics Wingdsc? You toy with us

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Sorry for toy with all ya all all the time.

I just posted a bunch of pic of my tank too! I am doing the trial prem. member thing. I might have to fork out the cash. It way easeir to post pictures this way!

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Yep, that's the plant wingdsc. Your typical "exotic" plant from Petland Discounts.

Here's another pic of my tank with a few more pieces added. Still not really how I want it, but can only spend so much time before I get dirty looks from

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So can you trim this plant down. The ones that I got are already going to be pushing the top of my tank.

I got mine from Petsmart.....

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No Wingdsc, you really can't trim. You'll end up with a dead tip. Just remember the one I'e had for 2 years had about 25% of the stem out of the water. I plan on doing the same thing in this tank since it's open top. I'm not sure how the plant will do completely submerged.



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hmm.......I might be out of luck. Although I am thinking of setting up a small hex betta tank that I could probably use them for. What is another plan that is like the mondo but for under water.

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Wings,

All the ones I listed when guessing what this one is are for "under water"

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All the ones I listed when guessing what this one is are for "under water"

I prefer the term completely submerged

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Well at least it works visually. Looks better after been moved a coupleof inches. The extra bit of height adds depth and interest.

If it doesn't work out try Blyxa Aubertii. It will give a similar effect but the color and texture will work well with the Wisteria.

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Well at least it works visually

Are you referring to the fact that mondo is not a true aquatic. I'm still alittle confused on how the pundents decide that. Aren't alot of true aquatics actually only submerged during part of the year in nature.

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Aren't alot of true aquatics actually only submerged during part of the year in nature.

Yes, but at least they have the capability to adapt and are built to survive submersion long term.

Non aquatics aren't built the same way and supposedly slowly rot.

Know nothing about Mondo or any other non aquatic plant for that matter. Maybe having a good portion out of the water helps

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Yes, but at least they have the capability to adapt and are built to survive submersion long term.

Yes, that would be the distinction between the two. To be honest I broke apart the rhizome so much in this tank I don't know if it will even live apart from the true aquatic issue.

I couldn't leave well enough alone, so I added a few sprigs of rotala to the center just to see. I think I like it or does it make too much noise to the simplicity of the setup? I'm actually pretty happy with this tank partly because it was created with cuttings from other tanks and because it doesn't have anything exotic in it and I think it looks goods.


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I would have to say stick with the grass like plants. The Mondo looks nice in there. KISS Theory. Keep It Simple Stupid!

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Nice crews,

How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture?

I also see that it is become another Wisteria dominated tank

Ingo

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Those black neons are nice, much bigger than I thought they would grow to.

The mondo grass is still doing OK submerged?

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How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture

I started to dance

Well yeah the whole back is wisteria clippings from my 72g.

The neons are very big and sometimes actually nasty. They beat up on some young guppies I had seeding the tank in the beginning. The mondo grass is still fine. I'm trying to keep the tips out of the water and over the edge. Might look good with the open top. I don't expect many of the grass stems to live though becuase I think I didn't retain enough of the rhizome from the main plant.

BTW - Can anyone guess what that little plant is in the right corner.



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Not another plant guessing game

Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra

Ingo

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Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra

Isn't that two trys, yes you are right its from the E. Stella. It has not been conclusively proven what it is. Aquatic botanic says it's E. Stellata. Who am I to argue.

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Errr, false Stellata or unusual piece of wisteria...


dang, posted at the same time....

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Too late NowherMan6

Ingo

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Rats

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Not much new with the tank. My one issue (there's gotta be something right) is that the javamoss get's alot of gunk in it. Probably from the high fish load. I'd might do a fish for shrimp swap with my 72g in an effort to keep the moss cleaner.

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I haven't posted a pic on this tank in quite some time, because not much has really changed. The tank is extremely easy to care for. I have alittle algae on some of the stems, mainly because I ran out of excel and the plants have been growing very slowly, but I think the huge biofilter has kept algae at bay even runing 2.7 cf wpg for 11 hours a day. I'm dosing a smigden of this and a pinch of that. I dumped all that media that came with the aquaclear 20 and filled it with eheim efhibsubstrate. I also added about 2 pounds of seeded eco complete to the rear of the tank and even the sand is staying very clean.



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Lookig good tetratech!

This tank is so much lighter than your other one. At least thats how it looks in the pictures.

I am actualy doing a similar set up with a small hex tank (5G?) right now. My plan is have it set up for just a male betta and no filter but the water seem to get kind of nasty over the corse of the week. I might have to go with a small filter on it. The trick will be to find one that fits on something that is only 5 inches.

Sorry I went on rambling...

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O.K. Well since my 72gallon is pretty much a "done deal" I got bored so I messed around alittle with my 12g. Tell me what you guys think. New plant additions include some of my E.Stellata from my 72g. You could see the old layout a couple of posts up. I kinda like this cause it shows more beach.



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Looks good man. Only thing I would do different: less beach on the right, more moss. Make it like a big moss field.

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You should angle the set up from front left to back right. Maybe had Nowher said add moss to fill up the space.

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Love it Much better. Becoming quite the masterful scaper aren't you

I disagree with the previous 2 guys. I like the the open area on the right. More depth. It does look like a real natuaral landscape that way.

Should be even better when the Stellaromatica fills in. Having that left corner really bushy will finish it off nicely.

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I am 100% with Bensaf, it looks realllllly nice. Great idea to change the setup .

I also think that having the way left grow taller/bushier will be the final touch.

Sadly though, that means this tank is pretty much done as well . What now tetratech

Ingo

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Wow, I appreciate the input. Thanks all. Yes, I think I'm really starting to enjoy this hobby, realizing it doesn't take much to create something nice. This setup is bascially javamoss and wistera with a piece of driftwood.

What now tetratech

Im going to disneyworld!


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