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bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Yeah that's pretty much what I had in mind although maybe thicker bushes. The positioning is a bit "neat" though, it's like both are the same distance from the side on each of the sides, i.e the right one is 6" from the right side of tank and the left is also 6 " from the left side of the tank. I'd move one a couple of inches closer to one side. It's hard to tell from the pic but it looks like C.Retrospiralis. Any chance of a close up ? EDIT: I somehow missed an entire page and didn't see all the above. Are you saying it's Mondo Grass ? Mondo - Condo ? Doesn't look like but the hell do I know about Mondo grass ? Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 03:50 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Are you saying it's Mondo Grass ? Mondo - Condo Yes, now everyone's gonna say it's not a true aquatic and it will be dead in a few months. This was a piece I cut off from the mother plant that has been growing in my son's newt,white cloud tank for over 2 years. The tank is 3/4 filled to the top, so in an open top same idea. Your desc My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 04:09 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | OK lets have a talk about this plant....I just bought some.....and couldn't find anything aquaria related....is it doomed? 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 04:44 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Are you sure it's Mondo grass ? Doesn't look loike any I've ever seen But then again my lack of knowledge on Mondo is only matched by my lack of knowledge on how the female mind works Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 05:08 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Yeah it's definitely mondo grass. It has a very stiff emersed plant feel to it. It has a rhizome similiar to an anubias and it was only a few inches long when I bought it. It kinda looked like dwarf hairgrass but thicker strands. I anchored it between two rocks above in my son's tank under a 25watt bulb and it grew straight thru the screen cover with above 25% of the lenght out of the water. My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 06:00 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | It looks the same as mine. It has a really stiff feel to it. I will post some close ups here in a bit. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 15:11 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I will post some close ups here in a bit Promises, promises. Where's your pics Wingdsc? You toy with us My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 16:45 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Mondo 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:03 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Mondo 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:03 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Sorry for toy with all ya all all the time. I just posted a bunch of pic of my tank too! I am doing the trial prem. member thing. I might have to fork out the cash. It way easeir to post pictures this way! 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:05 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Yep, that's the plant wingdsc. Your typical "exotic" plant from Petland Discounts. Here's another pic of my tank with a few more pieces added. Still not really how I want it, but can only spend so much time before I get dirty looks from My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:06 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | So can you trim this plant down. The ones that I got are already going to be pushing the top of my tank. I got mine from Petsmart..... 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:16 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | No Wingdsc, you really can't trim. You'll end up with a dead tip. Just remember the one I'e had for 2 years had about 25% of the stem out of the water. I plan on doing the same thing in this tank since it's open top. I'm not sure how the plant will do completely submerged. My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:20 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | hmm.......I might be out of luck. Although I am thinking of setting up a small hex betta tank that I could probably use them for. What is another plan that is like the mondo but for under water. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 17:31 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Wings, All the ones I listed when guessing what this one is are for "under water" Ingo |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 21:35 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | All the ones I listed when guessing what this one is are for "under water" I prefer the term completely submerged My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jan-2006 22:04 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Well at least it works visually. Looks better after been moved a coupleof inches. The extra bit of height adds depth and interest. If it doesn't work out try Blyxa Aubertii. It will give a similar effect but the color and texture will work well with the Wisteria. Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 30-Jan-2006 04:18 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Well at least it works visually Are you referring to the fact that mondo is not a true aquatic. I'm still alittle confused on how the pundents decide that. Aren't alot of true aquatics actually only submerged during part of the year in nature. My Scapes |
Posted 30-Jan-2006 19:30 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Aren't alot of true aquatics actually only submerged during part of the year in nature. Yes, but at least they have the capability to adapt and are built to survive submersion long term. Non aquatics aren't built the same way and supposedly slowly rot. Know nothing about Mondo or any other non aquatic plant for that matter. Maybe having a good portion out of the water helps Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 31-Jan-2006 13:30 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Yes, but at least they have the capability to adapt and are built to survive submersion long term. Yes, that would be the distinction between the two. To be honest I broke apart the rhizome so much in this tank I don't know if it will even live apart from the true aquatic issue. I couldn't leave well enough alone, so I added a few sprigs of rotala to the center just to see. I think I like it or does it make too much noise to the simplicity of the setup? I'm actually pretty happy with this tank partly because it was created with cuttings from other tanks and because it doesn't have anything exotic in it and I think it looks goods. My Scapes |
Posted 01-Feb-2006 02:21 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | I would have to say stick with the grass like plants. The Mondo looks nice in there. KISS Theory. Keep It Simple Stupid! 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 01-Feb-2006 03:45 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Please meet the crew of my 12 Gallon (medium light) Sand Bottomed Planted Setup My Scapes |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 19:42 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 20:35 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Nice crews, How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture? I also see that it is become another Wisteria dominated tank Ingo |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 20:38 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | Those black neons are nice, much bigger than I thought they would grow to. The mondo grass is still doing OK submerged? |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 20:38 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture I started to dance Well yeah the whole back is wisteria clippings from my 72g. The neons are very big and sometimes actually nasty. They beat up on some young guppies I had seeding the tank in the beginning. The mondo grass is still fine. I'm trying to keep the tips out of the water and over the edge. Might look good with the open top. I don't expect many of the grass stems to live though becuase I think I didn't retain enough of the rhizome from the main plant. BTW - Can anyone guess what that little plant is in the right corner. My Scapes |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 20:53 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Not another plant guessing game Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra Ingo |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 21:04 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra Isn't that two trys, yes you are right its from the E. Stella. It has not been conclusively proven what it is. Aquatic botanic says it's E. Stellata. Who am I to argue. My Scapes |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 21:08 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 21:09 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 21:11 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | Rats |
Posted 10-Feb-2006 21:26 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Not much new with the tank. My one issue (there's gotta be something right) is that the javamoss get's alot of gunk in it. Probably from the high fish load. I'd might do a fish for shrimp swap with my 72g in an effort to keep the moss cleaner. Current Pic: My Scapes |
Posted 12-Feb-2006 19:15 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I haven't posted a pic on this tank in quite some time, because not much has really changed. The tank is extremely easy to care for. I have alittle algae on some of the stems, mainly because I ran out of excel and the plants have been growing very slowly, but I think the huge biofilter has kept algae at bay even runing 2.7 cf wpg for 11 hours a day. I'm dosing a smigden of this and a pinch of that. I dumped all that media that came with the aquaclear 20 and filled it with eheim efhibsubstrate. I also added about 2 pounds of seeded eco complete to the rear of the tank and even the sand is staying very clean. My Scapes |
Posted 07-Mar-2006 04:23 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Lookig good tetratech! This tank is so much lighter than your other one. At least thats how it looks in the pictures. I am actualy doing a similar set up with a small hex tank (5G?) right now. My plan is have it set up for just a male betta and no filter but the water seem to get kind of nasty over the corse of the week. I might have to go with a small filter on it. The trick will be to find one that fits on something that is only 5 inches. Sorry I went on rambling... 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 07-Mar-2006 05:03 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | O.K. Well since my 72gallon is pretty much a "done deal" I got bored so I messed around alittle with my 12g. Tell me what you guys think. New plant additions include some of my E.Stellata from my 72g. You could see the old layout a couple of posts up. I kinda like this cause it shows more beach. My Scapes |
Posted 17-Mar-2006 23:29 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | Looks good man. Only thing I would do different: less beach on the right, more moss. Make it like a big moss field. |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 00:04 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | You should angle the set up from front left to back right. Maybe had Nowher said add moss to fill up the space. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 02:59 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Love it Much better. Becoming quite the masterful scaper aren't you I disagree with the previous 2 guys. I like the the open area on the right. More depth. It does look like a real natuaral landscape that way. Should be even better when the Stellaromatica fills in. Having that left corner really bushy will finish it off nicely. Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 03:44 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I am 100% with Bensaf, it looks realllllly nice. Great idea to change the setup . I also think that having the way left grow taller/bushier will be the final touch. Sadly though, that means this tank is pretty much done as well . What now tetratech Ingo |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 13:00 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Wow, I appreciate the input. Thanks all. Yes, I think I'm really starting to enjoy this hobby, realizing it doesn't take much to create something nice. This setup is bascially javamoss and wistera with a piece of driftwood. What now tetratechIm going to disneyworld! My Scapes |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 13:50 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Im going to disneyworld! They need a tank designer? ... realizing it doesn't take much to create something nice. Gee, nice. Now you are telling me that I should have been sticking to easy plants for the 125G . Ingo |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 14:00 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | They need a tank designer Yeah ya know that big tank in that restaurant in one of the parks (might be epcot) where you pay off the host to sit you next to it. Their going freshwater planted, I'm consulting My Scapes |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 14:28 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Right and what did you do.. commandeer Ammono's army? I am in the mind of thinking that simpler the better. My tank I have 7 or 8 types of plants that are all in their own little space. I think it seems to work better that way. Bigger groups of less plants that is. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 15:29 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 18-Mar-2006 18:01 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | My Kuhi Loach is a Parrot Head One thing I find interesting in this tank is the Kuhi loaches. I figured I would never see them, but for some reason they are always visible. I don't have alot of experience with loaches, but I remember going to the store and these guys are always hidden in the tanks. Many times they are just lazily hanging out in the open leaves of the wisteria, sometimes on their side like in this pick. When I first saw this I thought it was dying, but they are not. I guess the reason for staying in the open is: 1.The feel secure with the ground cover and the sand that they can always hide 2. No predators in the tank My Scapes |
Posted 19-Mar-2006 18:46 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I think you are right on tetratech, In particular the secure thing is most certainly a reason why they come out to play (no predators hepls in this department). As has been said any times before: If you give your fish ample opportunities to hide then they will be more in the open And your wisteria does not only provide hiding spots but maybe also serves as: - A pillow for them to nap on. - A Loach Wash (like a car wash) where they get their ski cleaned when wiggleing through it. - A petting unit, where the gentle movements of the wisteria pet the fish as it slides through. Ingo |
Posted 19-Mar-2006 19:23 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 |
Not a bad way to go. They also dig through the sand and create air pockets that help keep it clean. My Scapes |
Posted 19-Mar-2006 19:41 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | This tank continues on it's merry way. Slow growing, but really no problems. The only alage is some healthy looking spot algae on the glass. I am now doing the full EI program on this tank. I'm pretty much following the schedule on my 72g, except for the excel in place of the co2. I was thinking about removing the stems from the corner and putting a grassy plant in the left back and having it wraparound the corner. Tank - 12 gallon bowfront Light - 27 watts cf Substrate - pool filter sand, eco complete Ferts: Excel, no3, po4, flourish Floura: l.aromatica, rotala rotundilia, wisteria, java moss. Fauna: Gold tetras, black neons, otos, kuhi loaches My Scapes |
Posted 27-Mar-2006 21:01 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | tetra, Really like the up dated picture. You can really see the moss on the rocks. Looks great. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 01:52 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks Wings, As I said this tank is a pleasure. Almost no maintenance. I witnessed something interesting with the kuhi loaches that I never realized . I was watching the loach poke it's nose in the sand and I saw the sand shoot out of it's gills. I honestly did not know they did that. They are also keeping the sand really clean. Tetra loves Kuhi Bensaf loves MTS My Scapes |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 03:15 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Wings loves Brillian Rasboras cuz they school so pretty..... 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 03:37 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Yup, very nice, the little island looks good with its beach front . Say, whatever happened to the Mondo Grass? Did it just not fit in anymore or where there problems with it? Ingo |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 12:24 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Say, whatever happened to the Mondo Grass? Did it just not fit in anymore or where there problems with it? When I changed the looked it really didn't work anymore. Some of the stems didn't die, but weren't looking that good. I left none of the rhizome on some of them. Others had new leafs coming out. My Scapes |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 14:35 | |
resle Enthusiast Posts: 273 Kudos: 112 Votes: 14 Registered: 09-Oct-2004 | my kuhlis in my 10 gallon do all that u said urs do. i also noticed a difference in behavior when sand is used, with pea gravel my kuhlis just hid all day but with sand they just sift through the sand and sit on tops of plants it could also have something to do with the fish; my tank just has herlequins so they are not bothered. how do u keep the gravel so clean? i clean the sand atleast once a week but within hours its covered in ppop just as before as before, could it be the shrimp and snails? how come there isnt any algae on the sand? my tank is only 1.5 watts per gallon with no added sopplements but i get patches of bluish green algae where there is the most flow. know how i can fix this? is it true that mondo grass will eventually die in an aquarium? p.s. sorry for hijacking your thread |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 17:36 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | resle, Don't worry about hijacking my thread. All your questions are relevant to the threads discussion. Sand, I do surface clean the sand once a week, but it does stay pretty clean. I did have some BGA develop when I first set it up, but with add'l plants and a larger biofilter it stopped. As much as I like shrimp they will leave poop visible on sand, same with larger snails. Mondo Grass will eventually fade away if the stems aren't out of the water. I also think many people plant it in the substrate. It has a rhizome like an anubias and that part of the plant shouldn't be buried. So if you have an opentop tank it will thrive if you tie it or wedge it between a rock or a piece of wood. My Scapes |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 18:05 | |
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resle Enthusiast Posts: 273 Kudos: 112 Votes: 14 Registered: 09-Oct-2004 | well i currently have a hob fit for a 30gal so i dont think that would be the problem ill try adding more plants one king of algae eater do u use? i got the shrimp and snails because they do a more delicate job then a fish would how well do your kuhlis sift the sand? so far i havent seen mine even go in it i do have the mondo grass in the sand but the rhizome is not buried, i dont know what to do with it |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 18:43 | |
resle Enthusiast Posts: 273 Kudos: 112 Votes: 14 Registered: 09-Oct-2004 | heres my tank for your enjoyment http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6265/pdr16333rg.jpg |
Posted 28-Mar-2006 19:55 | |
beetledance Hobbyist Posts: 54 Kudos: 21 Votes: 6 Registered: 26-Feb-2006 | Very nice. I spent awhile reading thru your log, very inspirational I must say. The big tanks are nice to look at, but hard for me to relate to - it would be a very long time before I could devote that amount of space and money to a tank! I really like where you ended up with the scaping. Makes me think of the sand gardens in Japanese gardening. (all you need now is a little rake...HAHA) I am amazed at how clean the sand is - I've been reluctant to try sand b/c I figured it would just be a mess. I have the exact same desk light that you are using - believe me, I've thought, "got a light sitting there doing nothing. I could put a little tank under that..." However I was afraid that the humidity would cause a problem with the fixture. How long have you had yours over the tank and have you noticed anything adverse? Also, is there a piece that covers the bulb on your light? Mine doesn't have anything and I can't remember if it came with it or not. |
Posted 29-Mar-2006 04:02 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | resle, Nice tank, I think you need more plants though. bettledance, thanks for the tank comments. I believe I've had the light for at least 4 months without any problems. You are correct there is no cover over the bulb. As you can see the bulb is a good ways away from the water so I don't believe any moisture is hitting it. My Scapes |
Posted 29-Mar-2006 04:22 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | So far so good. I've seen no problems in the tank since starting a regular EI routine. The plants are growing, but slowly, Alittle spot algae on the glass, but nothing to worry about. Notice the kuli loach front and center. My Scapes |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 02:02 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 02:04 | |
beetledance Hobbyist Posts: 54 Kudos: 21 Votes: 6 Registered: 26-Feb-2006 | |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 04:04 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Estimative Index. It is a way of dosing your Ferts so that you get great growth of your plants and no algea. If you have it figured out. Google Tom Barr's for more info Edit: Forgot to say something! Nice pictures tetra! Loach is cool and it looks like your plants are doing well as usual. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 05:11 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Yup Tetratech, Looking nice as usual There are shrimp in there, right? If so, how are they doing (and what), if not, maybe you should add some. Or maybe 4 cories, I somehow feel sad for the beautiful beach with only one resident building a sand castle. There should be more diggers. Ingo |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 11:56 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks for the comments Actually there are two kulis in there, no shrimp, although I am thinking of adding a few. I assume the loaches won't mind. There are also 3 otos in the tank, in which two of them are visible in the first pic, unless LF spots the third. My Scapes |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 14:20 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | I think i found all three! But I went to paint them and it made the picture so small that you can't even tell what I did! So I will leave it up to LF! 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 15:30 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Ok then, There are two Otos in the picture (yellow circles). And the one that Wings believes he has found is a Kuhli Loach (greenish circle). Find The Fish |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 17:07 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Very good, but when I looked at the pic again, I'm thinking the one in the green circle is an oto facing forward, but I'm not 100% sure. My Scapes |
Posted 31-Mar-2006 17:23 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Thats what I was look at! And if tetra is with me then we have a 2 to 1 win for me. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 01-Apr-2006 00:51 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Guess I'm alittle bored too. Here's a current pic, Ignore the Blyxa in the upper right corner. I put them in there to see if they would live, not for scaping purposes. This tank continues to be clean and easy. No real problems with a combination of 2.2wpg, EI, and Excel everyday. My Scapes |
Posted 15-Apr-2006 03:19 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 15-Apr-2006 03:19 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Very nice tetratech, How is the moss doing in the areas where the Wisteria is shading it? Does it grow more stringy? When did you start the Blyxa experiment? Keep us posted how it worked out. So, when did you go to the LFS and bought the Amano shrimp, and how did you resist buying anything else, or didin't you? Ingo |
Posted 15-Apr-2006 12:26 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I haven't seen much of a difference yet in the shaded area of moss vs part in direct sun. I've actually been clipping the left alittle each week so it doesn't stay shaded that long. The Blyxa been in there about a week ever since I expanding my riccia foreground, It bascially got squeezed out and I fiqured I would see if it will grow/survive in this tank. Actually I stopped at a store coming back from a meeting that I usually don't go to and they had a whole tankload of the shrimp for $1.99 so I took five and put 2 in the 12 and added another 3 in the 72g. My Scapes |
Posted 15-Apr-2006 13:57 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I've decided to use my 12gallon as a sort of "play" tank where I try different things, etc. Here is the result of a 30 minute makeover. You might recognize the main rock My Scapes |
Posted 01-Jul-2006 15:50 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Tetra, This looks pretty good. I like how it has different levels. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 01-Jul-2006 16:01 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks Wings, It needs to grow in a bit and I will be playing around with the rock positioning some more. I thing it creates a nice beach edge with a rocky hill behind it. My Scapes |
Posted 01-Jul-2006 16:34 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I've decided to use my 12gallon as a sort of "play" tank where I try different thingsThat is exactly what I use my 20QT for. If there are only the main fish in there and nobody to be QTed for a while then I go ahead and mess with it. Your 30min overhaul is sure nice tetratech, also the way you "package" the picture is getting pretty darn good. You are selling us a rectangulat shaped tank as a cube . And yes, even before I read the words in your post I did identify the 72s rock. About the current setup in itself: it looks very nice. The most impressive thing about it to me is how small the fish look, or, in other words, when looking at the fish and then the size of the rock it seems as if the tank is much larger. Ergo: great job on creating space Ingo |
Posted 02-Jul-2006 11:46 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | That is exactly what I use my 20QT for. If there are only the main fish in there and nobody to be QTed for a while then I go ahead and mess with it. At least you have 8 add'l gallons to play with Thanks for the comments. I cut out the heater that was moved to the right side of the tank, thus the cube shape. I guess I'll keep this look for a while and fine-tune it. Right now there is moss and blyxa in the tank, but I might decide to do moss only or change the blyxa since I don't think I want to cater to it's demands in this tank once the saltwater tank is up. EDIT: Good observation on the fish size. The rock is very large for a 12g and the gold tetra are very small it does create a larger inpression. My Scapes |
Posted 02-Jul-2006 13:11 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | The rock is very large for a 12gHow much water did it take up? 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 02:08 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Hm, Wings brings up a very good point that I haven't even thought about. This rock may reduce your net water volumn quite a bit. But I assume with a rather small fish load that should not be a problem. Ingo |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 11:39 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Never really thought about it. It's big, but I don't think it displaces more than a gallon or so. Having taken the 4 black neons out a while ago, there is now: 8 Gold Tetras 2 Kuli loaches 3 RCS 2 Amanos 2 Otos (Lost one, first fish lost in this tank since setup) I'll be honest I've tossed around the idea of using this tank to try to breed my Bolivians or rams, but I would have to remove the tetras and the Kuli. I thought about getting rid of my 4 rummys and 4 black neons and putting the gold tetras in my 72, but the rummys have been with me forever. My big rummy actually survived the brewery incident and along with my big bolivian is my oldest fish. My Scapes |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 13:12 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I didn't want LF to think I ran out and got a cube tank, so here is a wider shot with heater in pic. El Tetratech My Scapes |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 15:21 | |
mattyboombatty Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 | Dang it tetratech....I was thinking of using the petrified wood looking rocks in my new setup, but I was going to have a very difficult time finding one large enough. I'm not sure I can do that anymore with a setup as nice as this. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 17:12 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Well thanks Matty, but I'm sure you'll do fine. No two tanks are exactly alike so there's always something interesting to do. I personally like using big pieces because of the dramatic effect they have. I'm getting excited to start working with the live rock soon. Should be alot of fun My Scapes |
Posted 03-Jul-2006 21:32 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Matty - First my tank dimensions and substrate, then tetratech's rocks, what's next - Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants? I like the big rock in that tank too, and thanks for showing a full shot Ingo |
Posted 04-Jul-2006 12:11 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants? You might have unleashed the beast! He hasn't been around in a while. Maybe it is a good thing that the beast be lose again. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 04-Jul-2006 16:22 | |
mattyboombatty Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 | Glad to hear you are about ready to get some LR. Try to let it sit as long as possible before getting fish. Let the critters get a head start, you'll appreciate it later. Matty - First my tank dimensions and substrate, then tetratech's rocks, what's next - Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants? Hey my tank is a few inches taller. Obviously I can't use the rocks like tetratech anymore, but I'll try as hard as I can to copy bensaf's "hotch-potch" of plants Wings - are we talking about bensaf as a beast? I can't imagine any beast with a skirt and flowers in his ear Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
Posted 04-Jul-2006 21:07 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Did your mama never tell you not to poke a sleeping dragon ? Hotch potch "A wonderfully well thought out collection of eclectic aquatic botanic lifeforms arranged in an aesthetically pleasing and eyecatching array of dazzling color, complimenting textures and shapes that provide a visual bonanza to the eyes, while providing a cacophony of sensual pleasures that stir the soul and stimulate the front lobal brain cells of the observer" is the phrase I prefer to use. Pfft..."hotch potch" Anyways....I like the new set up, see what you are doing, but the main rock is a bit too thick and plain. Something a little thinner with a bit more shape ? I won't lower myself to comment on cheap jibes about skirts and flowers. Suffice to say...if you've got it, flaunt it. Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 05-Jul-2006 06:22 | |
mattyboombatty Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 | if you've got it, flaunt it. I have to agree Bensaf, sorry to poke fun. I just wish I could wear a sword at my wedding. Call me jealous, of that, and your plants. Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
Posted 05-Jul-2006 07:03 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | I just wish I could wear a sword at my wedding. Marriage isn't all bliss and romance. There are days I wish I held on the that sword Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 05-Jul-2006 08:30 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | and all the married men say.......amen The wife would have loved a sword at the wedding. We did have Betta vaces set up as cake stands though. That was even her idea too! I guess I should scan some pictures for you guys. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 05-Jul-2006 14:00 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I like the new set up, see what you are doing, but the main rock is a bit too thick and plain. Something a little thinner with a bit more shape I could see what your saying about the thickness and consistent shape. This was a first "positional" setup and I'm still getting a feel for it. The rock will probably be adjusted somewhat, changed before I'm done. My Scapes |
Posted 05-Jul-2006 22:11 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | ...before I'm doneDone? I didn't know that term existed in the planted tank world Anyway tetratech, I like the rock, and albeit a thinner one may look even better, what you have now is not too shabby. Ingo |
Posted 06-Jul-2006 13:12 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 02:34 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Niiicccceeee Very good shot. But I have to decline your lobster offer: - I don't eat anything that lives in the water (already since before I got into fish tanks) - I would not be able to eat such a large portion Tetratech - I have to say that in the last month or so your photo taking skills (or at least the ones that you share with us) seem to have greatly improved. Not too long ago, you never shared a close-up with us and not you deliver one beautiful shot after the other. Wonderful Ingo |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 10:38 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | tetra, I really like the new set up! I think maybe a few more bits of blyxa, or even something thinner and more vertical like dwarf hairgrass around the smaller rocks, and maybe some "normal" hairgras around the large rock would help break up the flatter look of the java moss garden. But that's just a nit, it looks very nice as is. And don't worry, I'll take care of that lobster for LF. I'll eat most anything that comes from the ocean, ESPECIALLY lobsters/ shrimp/ crawfish. In fact, I think I've eaten MORE seafood since I've started fish/ plant/ shrimp keeping because they sit there in their little tanks and tempt me all day long! |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 16:05 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | People sometimes question me about my love for fish tanks and also my love for fishing and eatting fishes. My responce is that they are just as fun to catch and eat as they are to watch. Plus the are good for you! Nice picture tetra! 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 16:09 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | okay well i have to agree the tank has a great feel to it...makes you stop and stare. I like the look but think if you want to keep the rock maybe soften the apperance a bit. my idea was(after looking over all the log and at every picture) would be to start from the right side and place just a few wisteria creeping down from the Volcvanic looking part of the island. then behind the Volcano(thats what im calling it because everyone says it an island theme) would be to place some rotala in there again and maybe some ludwiga repens...Just my idea...i kinda have the same thing going on in my 15 gallon and i have some tiger lotus growing over it and some ludwigia on the left side on the corner as well. it's cool looking i hope you take this idea and run with it i think you'll be impressed |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 22:02 | |
GirlieGirl8519 Fish Master *Malawi Planter* Posts: 1468 Kudos: 1029 Votes: 35 Registered: 25-Mar-2005 | Tetra, I some random questions...How do you like the sand? Is it pretty easy to clean? I will be setting up my 38g soon and would like to have pool sand as my substrate. I will be planting it also, so just wondering if people like it. The tank looks very nice by the way. I like it! I don't eat anything that lives in the water (already since before I got into fish tanks) Wow LF...I don't either...and didn't before I got into fish keeping.. |
Posted 13-Jul-2006 23:30 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks for the tank comments. Some of those plant suggestions would definitely work, my only issue with this tank right now is light. Right now I have an 18watt coralife fixture on top. Not sure if I want to bump it up or keep it low light, low maintenance. I ditched the desklamp more for aestitic reasons outside the tank then anything else. This is far from "done" and I will be adjusting things over the next few weeks. GirlieGirl8519, The pool filter sand works out fine. It's really like very small gravel, but gives the appearance of sand. But I think using it successfully is dependent on a few. 1.In the areas thats that aren't planted keep the sand very low 2.Have something that might stir the sand up to eliminate anaerobic activity (Bensaf recommends MTS) 3.Keep up with water changes and gravel washes. 4.Keep lowest fish load possible. My Scapes |
Posted 14-Jul-2006 13:18 | |
GirlieGirl8519 Fish Master *Malawi Planter* Posts: 1468 Kudos: 1029 Votes: 35 Registered: 25-Mar-2005 | Thanks for the tips on the sand...I'll remember those when I'm planning this tank. |
Posted 14-Jul-2006 16:35 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Take Two: I've fine-tuned this tank a bit and I'm starting to get excited about it. The java covered rocks have been piled higher against the main rock to give it a steeper more rugged mountainous look. The beach to the lower right is more clearly defined with the curves of the shoreline. I also rotated the rock slightly to show off a more interesting edge. The highest rock to the left will soon be covered completely in java moss to complete the mountainous look. A few more small pieces of rock have been added here and there on the mountain for definition and depth. I will eventually allow some java to cover the left face of the rock to soften it and blend it more into the overall terrain. My Scapes |
Posted 15-Jul-2006 23:25 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Looking very nice tetratech You sure made this tank much bigger than it really is (mine look mostly smaller than they are ). I like the end of a mountain range falling down towards a beach layout. It is a very nice theme in nature that pretty much every person appreciates (like the Cliffs in Dover, England, or the Main coast line in the area of Arcadia National Park). Question: albeit I am sure that the moss is growing slowly, what is your trimming process? On a little side note: I think that the enourmous black border you put around the picture is counter-functional. The larger-than-life tank seems to be shrinking. But maybe that is only my skewed visual taste Otherwise, really really nice, Ingo |
Posted 16-Jul-2006 12:52 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks for the comments LF Question: albeit I am sure that the moss is growing slowly, what is your trimming process? Most of the time I simply trim the areas with a scissor that I could reach, but the beauty of this setup is that each rock has it's own hairnet, so when I can't trim in the tank I simply remove that one rock, gravel wash under it, trim it and put it back in. Kinda of experimenting with different looks that's the reason for the big black border. Thanks for your comments on that as well. My Scapes |
Posted 16-Jul-2006 13:53 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I am always worried about my mosses if they are close to the ground. I found that they are rather invasive and in particular in my 29G experience other plans dying from moss tangling up all around them. Having them on rocks and avoiding that they grow into each other, in a sense of interconnecting the rocks and as such more or less locking them in place, seems to be a great solution to avoid my issues. I still find bits and pieces of Xmas Moss in my 125, although it is over 20 weeks ago that I removed Rock Valley, its original host rocks. Ingo |
Posted 16-Jul-2006 14:05 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Having them on rocks and avoiding that they grow into each other, in a sense of interconnecting the rocks and as such more or less locking them in place, seems to be a great solution to avoid my issues. I think it works, although I feel stupid going into drugstores and buying hairnets . Next I'll be wearing skirts like Bensaf It's so much easier than using string. So far I've never had a problem with the nets although there is always the possibilty that a kuli loach can get stuck in one. My Scapes |
Posted 16-Jul-2006 14:33 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I am getting pretty good at the string thing. All I do is that I make a loop that I can tighten, then wrap it around the rock and plant, tighten it, and depending on the plant that needs attachment (moss, fern, anubias) I may wrap it around this combination a few times. I don't even make a knot in the other end, I finish the string so that it is on the bottom of the rock and that keeps all in place. Tying up all these Anubias and Ferns in the 40G took much less time than planting the crazy Micro Swords, 100 plugs of them . Ingo |
Posted 16-Jul-2006 14:47 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Ok, Is it just me or does that big rock look like a monkey skull. I swear its damn eyes are following me Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 04:00 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Ok, Is it just me or does that big rock look like a monkey skull. Oh here we go again. When the rock was in my 72g with rotala r behind it Nowher thought it looked like Hendrix now you think it looks like a monkey skull. I thinking your tripping man. I have to rotate it a little more to get rid of that perception. The moss is going to start climbing up it soon so I'm thinking it might end up looking like that tomb in "Raiders of the lost arc" with the vines everywhere. Geez try to do something different and everyone's got serious psychological issues. My Scapes |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 04:41 | |
NowherMan6 Fish Master Posts: 1880 Kudos: 922 Votes: 69 Registered: 21-Jun-2004 | I thinking your tripping man. You beat me to it Thanks a lot, now that's all I can see when I look at it! p.s. I like it, looks great besides the whole monkey skull thing... |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 04:53 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 13:21 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I've tried to learn the planted tank ways, but your all against me, even my master. Uncle Ben (Obi-One) is jealous because he found out about my midichlorine count and it blows away his puny I.Q. That's it, you've pushed me to the Darkside of the Moss. Please look for my new 46 Gallon Reef Log coming soon at a marine aqua Forum near you. My Scapes |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 14:16 | |
mattyboombatty Moderator Tenellus Obsessor Posts: 2790 Kudos: 1507 Votes: 1301 Registered: 26-Mar-2004 | Please look for my new 46 Gallon Reef Log coming soon at a marine aqua Forum near you. Woot!/:' Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 16:17 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | WOW coming along nicely!!! Okay so now that your down to only 18 watts,which if i remember correctly, you'll have about a lil over 1 watt, you could prolly still put a nice bunch plant behind the mountain. did you ever think of maybe val. spiralis? might be intresting Anywho i have a question...im setting up my 55 gallon and want to do the whole sand thing but i wanted to know would you personally mix some laterite into the bottom half? or my other thing would be to use onyx sand? Tetra sorry if im might be stealing your forum but the question was to you but i know Ben and LF come here i figured they would help to. But yeah i really do like the tank...i might do a ten gallon this way...just to give it a try. We're there any plants that you have or had in the tank that have done really well for you? and how is the algae problem going? got it delt with and how did you do it? Keep it up Tetra and i'll be back hoping to see another pic soon of how it's looking |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 17:33 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Anywho i have a question...im setting up my 55 gallon and want to do the whole sand thing but i wanted to know would you personally mix some laterite into the bottom half? or my other thing would be to use onyx sand? If you mix laterite with sand you'll probably end up with the laterite on top and the sand on the bottom since the smaller grain sand will work it's way thru the laterite during gravel washes, etc. It really depends on how much your planting, ferts, co2, everything. I believe Bensaf has a beautiful "hotch-potch" of plants in all sand. We're there any plants that you have or had in the tank that have done really well for you? and how is the algae problem going? got it delt with and how did you do it?Haven't had much in there other than the javamoss since I went to 18w. I could probably put some stems in there, but right now I like the simplicity of the rock and moss. When I had the 27watts I had rotala r and armomatic and they both grew. I might go that route again, because I'm toying with the idea of getting a 28watt coralife cf fixture. My Scapes |
Posted 17-Jul-2006 18:37 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | What I do ??? I like the tank, it's a really nice natural well laid out tank. Simple and effective. I ain't out to get you.I love it It's ...just....the eyes....the eyes....they....follow me....every....where...... Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 18-Jul-2006 04:25 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | lol okay cool hope to get some new pics of the tank after you get the new tinkering done i might do the java moss rocks in my tank as well |
Posted 20-Jul-2006 19:17 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | **Warning** The following pictures might be scary. Some people see monkey skulls. You've been warned Anyway some updated pics of my 12g since I moved it from the bedroom upstairs to a part of my kitchen downstairs. Some of rocks shifted so I had to rebuild it alittle and fix the javamoss covered rocks etc. My Scapes |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 02:55 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Since it's an open top tank and my light is an 18w coralife reflected I had to somehow keep a 9" reflector on top of a 20" tank. I accomplished this by hanging it from the cabinet above with picture hanging wire. My Scapes |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 02:57 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I temporarily put a white background on the tank since the cabinet that it's setting on his a tumbled marble background. Didn't like it as you can see in this pic of the main inhabitants. These gold tetras are a great little school. I haven't lost any since I setup the tank. My Scapes |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 03:01 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | This tank sure is sharp. Simple seems to work very well making this small tank look much bigger than it is. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 14:08 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks Wings I was thinking about upping the lighting and going more high-tech on the tank, but I don't think I will. With my 72g to maintain and a saltwater I'm trying to get off the ground I think this tank will remain simple. I'll probably have to swap the Blyxa for some rubber plants (Anubias). Anyone got some Nana their trying to get rid of? My Scapes |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 14:23 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | I take it you got rid of the bucket of Anubias? 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 15:50 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I take it you got rid of the bucket of Anubias? Wow, you have a good memory. I did eventually get rid of it, but I should have keep it, it probably would still be alive My Scapes |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 15:59 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Wow, you have a good memory. I tend to scare myself sometimes. Although I believe you had the word FREE hooked on to the bucket of anubias because you didn't think they were really alive. That word free gets hook on me somewhere and doesn't let go. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 25-Jul-2006 20:04 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I tend to scare myself sometimesYeah - you scare me too, sometimes Tetratech, I find that this tank is looking just dandy, but it also looks like it is done. As in - nothing to mess with. I am sure you can use the free time for the salt setup though. Interesting surface that the tank sits on, I like how it reflects part of the tank. Ingo |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 00:49 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I find that this tank is looking just dandy, but it also looks like it is done. As in - nothing to mess with. I am sure you can use the free time for the salt setup though. One of the reasons I'll probably keep this tank low-tech is just what you said about free time to work the salt setup. Thanks for the tank comments. Actually I plan on working the moss into a higher level around the main rock and adding some other plants. I'm probably going to tak out the Blyxa (I don't think it will make it) and put in some small anubias or fern. Interesting surface that the tank sits on, I like how it reflects part of the tank. My kitchen was recently redone with granite countertops so that is the reflection you see. My Scapes |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:02 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I personally would keep the main rock as clean as it is right now, I think having moss climb up on it would take away some of its majestic appearance, if you know what I mean. Trying out a Blyxa somewhere on the low ground sounds good, given that you have a hidden substrate in there anyway. Why do you think it wouldn't make it - light? Ingo |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:12 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Trying out a Blyxa somewhere on the low ground sounds good, given that you have a hidden substrate in there anyway. Why do you think it wouldn't make it - light?Yes, I think light is the biggest issue. I'm only running 18w cf although I probably displaced 3g with my monkey skull so I guess I'm at about 2wpg not much for a 9g tank. I think you misunderstood me I'm not planning to put the blyxa lower in fact I would stand a better chance if I went higher. I think I'm gonna go Anubias nana or some other lowlight small leafed plant. I'm not doubting that Tankwatcher's Blyxa is growing, but I'll be very surprised. Doesn't she have just 1.6wpg or did she upgrade. Oh, you know about the EC in the back corner? My Scapes |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:24 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Oh, you know about the EC in the back corner?Sure do, you mentioned it once in some content that I don't remember though. Higher is no good to me, it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like him Anubias nana is ok, nana petite is perfect. You managed to make this tank look huge, keep it that way. Ingo |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:28 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Tetra, We know all about you. it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like himMaybe we shouldn't go there..... 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:36 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Higher is no good to me, it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like him Thanks guys, but I really thing the monkey skull scares Bensaf. What about a java moss hairdo on top of the monkey skull. My Scapes |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 02:52 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | but I really thing the monkey skull scares Bensaf. It reminds me of an ex-girlfriend...shudder What about a java moss hairdo on top of the monkey skull No. Bald is good. A bag over it's head might help though The Anubias petite would be great where the Blxa is. Wasn't chaos maximus (all hail !!) trying to give away all his petites ? Cryptocore parva would look good in that spot too. Or you could try some riccia for contrast with the moss. I've had it grow in non co2 with not a huge amount of light (in a small tank) absolutely fine. It even pearled on occassion. Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 26-Jul-2006 03:54 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Cryptocore parva.... I would like to get my hands on that plant! It's never on any of the list at work though. I guess that means I have to spend the big bucks and buy it online some day. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 02:29 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Played around with the tank alittle and removed some java from the front left corner and created more beachfront property. I used some of the java and made the mountain alittle higher. Better or worse? I also slighly rotated the rock. See Bensaf nothing to be scared of My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 17:15 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | wow okay this just keeps getting better everytime i come back to this post. now you cant see the monkey face well i agree with the whole anubias petite thing would really contrast well and give it a bit of flow. my only thing is if you can get the new varigated form really cool...might have to order it in somewhere but its REALLY worth it keep it going TETRATECH |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 18:00 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Hm, I liked it better the other way. Now the island seems small compared to the rest of the tank, aka beach front. As a matter of fact, now it seems like the plants and rocks are the entire island, while before one could have imagined to view a section of an island that expands outside of the tanks confinements. But that is just my opinion, Ingo |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 19:46 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I defintely see what your saying. Before you could use more of your imagination of the island size, etc. I always respect your opinion, epecially your eye for detail. I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the litte bit of eco showing in the back left corner. BTW - I also threw a piece of white foam board behind the tank as you coud see in the pic. Well, what's fun about this tank is that it's so easy to play around with. My Scapes |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 20:10 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Ah, Darn, I missed the Eco I guess I am getting old and my sense of observation is in decline. Very soon I may not even notice anymore that these pictures that are posted at FP are about fish tanks About the foam and the easiness for change: That is how I feel about the background of my 20G (although I am not as flexible as you are when it comes to the interior). Whenever I feel like it, I simply cut a new colored cardboard to size and voila, a new impression arises Ingo |
Posted 28-Jul-2006 20:15 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Another view of the tank. I'm starting to enjoy this one. It's fun to tinker with it. I added a few more pieces of rock to give it more depth. Now that's a wet bar My Scapes |
Posted 30-Jul-2006 00:30 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I promised myself I wouldn't try adding and Hygro Difformis but I couldn't resist. I put a vew sprigs in to see how it would look. the wisteria constrasts great with the dark moss. Anubias Nana has a light green variety? My Scapes |
Posted 30-Jul-2006 00:33 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Now that's a wet bar- exactly my thought. Tetratech, I think to remember that youhave mixed moss and wisteria before, but my personal experience wasn't all that great. I had this in my 20G QT and over time the two plants started to grow heavily into each other, to a point where neither not was growing healthy. The moss suffocated the wisteria in some spots, in others the roots (water roots) of the wisteria interwebbed with the moss so much that the mix became one clump. I think you can avoid this with frequent checking on the situation and trimming when required, but this means that the tank is on a higher level of maintenance than it was before. And now go and open one of these wine bottles for us please Ingo |
Posted 30-Jul-2006 13:07 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Yes in the long-run the java would overgrow the moss, but the tank is on such a small scale it's nothing to cut the wisteria out and replace with my endless supply from my 72g. And now go and open one of these wine bottles for us pleaseNow that you brought it up. Do open-top aquariums on bars work? I mean if someone pours a drink it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for some to fall into my tank . My Scapes |
Posted 30-Jul-2006 13:31 | |
Wingsdlc Fish Guru What is this? Posts: 2332 Kudos: 799 Registered: 18-Jan-2005 | Bar's and open top tanks? A couple of years ago I living in a house with 8 others that kind of liked to party and drink alot. It wasn't a good thing. Hence I never had a tank set up outside my locked room. Odds of a beer being fed to the fish was way to high. Though I bet it wouldn't be much worse that your DIY CO2 issue a while back. 19G Container Pond [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/Wingsdlc/Ric |
Posted 30-Jul-2006 14:37 | |
bensaf Fish Master Posts: 1978 Kudos: 1315 Registered: 08-Apr-2004 | Lose the Wisteria. It doesn't fit in. Having it there isn't adding anything rather just distracting from the overall look. Remember that age and treachery will always triumph over youth and ability. |
Posted 31-Jul-2006 04:47 | |
FRANK Moderator Posts: 5108 Kudos: 5263 Votes: 1690 Registered: 28-Dec-2002 | Hi, I tend to agree with Ben. The moss and rocks are a pleasure to view and seem to blend together. The addition of the three pieces of wisteria, seem to shock or grab the eye and leave me thinking "what/how did they get there." For me, they disrupt the "flow" of the tank. Frank -->>> The Confidence of Amateurs, is the Envy of Professionals <<<-- |
Posted 31-Jul-2006 11:59 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | i personally think they look like miniture palm trees in the lush tropical forest on mount monkey island but yah get rid of them thats the first thing that draws your eye and you loose everything else. like said before do some petite |
Posted 31-Jul-2006 21:47 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | |
Posted 01-Aug-2006 03:34 | |
bratyboy2 Big Fish Posts: 355 Kudos: 340 Votes: 1 Registered: 21-Apr-2004 | whats wrong tetra? didnt get wgat i said (maybe lost a bit? ) well yah |
Posted 01-Aug-2006 18:43 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Well since you guys are so intent on having cichlid chat dominate the planted tank forums, I decided to get in on the fun. Meet Mr and Mrs. Apistogrammar Agassizi Double Red: My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 18:03 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | I'm 99% sure I got the correct female. I caught these myself and it took me a good 1/2 hour to do so. They were in a hugh end-cap tank with disc and other apistogrammars including Borelli and Nijsseni. My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 18:12 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Too be honest the male wasn't the one I was originally going for but I gave up after literally tearing the tank apart. It was aquascaped with alot of wood, rock and plants: My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 18:13 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | I cannot beliefe this. First all the ranting about me talking Apistos, and then this Well, glad to see that you obviously like these kind of fishies I cannot tell right of the bat if you got the correct female, but given the elongated body you seem to be correct. About Agassizi: If I am not mistaken then they are quite a challenge to breed in a tank, with super low ph and what not. At least when compared to Cacs. But I guess that was not your intention anyway. So, tell us more. How come you got them? And why did you have to fish them out by yourself (or did you insist) ? Anyway, congratulations, Ingo |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 18:20 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks Ingo! Well, glad to see that you obviously like these kind of fishies Actually if you look way back in my 72g log (can't remember the page), I did mention I wanted to get some apistos for that tank, but I just never did. I was afraid they would get lost in the wisteria jungle and I would never see my new expensive fish. I cannot tell right of the bat if you got the correct female, but given the elongated body you seem to be correct. It was tough, because their were so many yellowish looking females in the tank. Alot had a big black circle on the side which I think develops for breeding, but I believe those were the nissizi. About Agassizi: If I am not mistaken then they are quite a challenge to breed in a tank, with super low ph and what not. At least when compared to Cacs. But I guess that was not your intention anyway. Well for now they will be in the 12g. I plan on making some inventory changes. Looks like I'm going to get rid of my pencils and black neons (9 fish in total) and move my kulis and gold tetras into the 72g. I will then have only the crs and apistos in the 12g. So far they haven't been bothering them and I already so the female eat a snail. To be honest the apistos arent' that much bigger than the golds or the crs. So, tell us more. How come you got them? And why did you have to fish them out by yourself (or did you insist) ? Yeah, I know the people in the store pretty well and I catch my own fish. My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 18:31 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | Tetratech, Here is A Link to the double red Apisto. The female, maybe because she is in the mood, looks colorwise quite different She doesn't look like a Borelli female to me either, and neither like a Nijsseni. Ingo |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 19:22 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Thanks Ingo. See that's the confusion. The female double red in your link has that big black dot, similiar to the other females in the tank, but the Nijsseni has big black smudges: http://www.apistogramma.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=44 The female double-red I think get's that black dot during mating and the horizontal line fades. My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 19:30 | |
LITTLE_FISH ***** Little Fish ***** Master of Something Posts: 7303 Kudos: 1997 Votes: 670 Registered: 20-May-2005 | OK, This Really Odd Site has some Apistos Double Red that look like your female, so that is good. Ingo |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 19:30 | |
tetratech Ultimate Fish Guru Posts: 4241 Kudos: 1074 Registered: 04-Nov-2003 | Nice pics anyway. Yeah I think I got the right one, found this pic on aquaworld. Not a good pic, but it looks very similar to mine and it's identified as an Agassizi anyway. My Scapes |
Posted 05-Aug-2006 19:43 | |
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Posted 05-Aug-2006 19:49 | |
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