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I would have to say stick with the grass like plants. The Mondo looks nice in there. KISS Theory. Keep It Simple Stupid!

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Please meet the crew of my 12 Gallon (medium light) Sand Bottomed Planted Setup



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Oh, can't forgot the grounds crew.



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Nice crews,

How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture?

I also see that it is become another Wisteria dominated tank

Ingo

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Those black neons are nice, much bigger than I thought they would grow to.

The mondo grass is still doing OK submerged?

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How did you convince them to huddle all together for the picture

I started to dance

Well yeah the whole back is wisteria clippings from my 72g.

The neons are very big and sometimes actually nasty. They beat up on some young guppies I had seeding the tank in the beginning. The mondo grass is still fine. I'm trying to keep the tips out of the water and over the edge. Might look good with the open top. I don't expect many of the grass stems to live though becuase I think I didn't retain enough of the rhizome from the main plant.

BTW - Can anyone guess what that little plant is in the right corner.



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Not another plant guessing game

Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra

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Ok, one try only - A stem from your false Stellata or the Diandra

Isn't that two trys, yes you are right its from the E. Stella. It has not been conclusively proven what it is. Aquatic botanic says it's E. Stellata. Who am I to argue.

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Errr, false Stellata or unusual piece of wisteria...


dang, posted at the same time....

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Too late NowherMan6

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Rats

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Not much new with the tank. My one issue (there's gotta be something right) is that the javamoss get's alot of gunk in it. Probably from the high fish load. I'd might do a fish for shrimp swap with my 72g in an effort to keep the moss cleaner.

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I haven't posted a pic on this tank in quite some time, because not much has really changed. The tank is extremely easy to care for. I have alittle algae on some of the stems, mainly because I ran out of excel and the plants have been growing very slowly, but I think the huge biofilter has kept algae at bay even runing 2.7 cf wpg for 11 hours a day. I'm dosing a smigden of this and a pinch of that. I dumped all that media that came with the aquaclear 20 and filled it with eheim efhibsubstrate. I also added about 2 pounds of seeded eco complete to the rear of the tank and even the sand is staying very clean.



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Lookig good tetratech!

This tank is so much lighter than your other one. At least thats how it looks in the pictures.

I am actualy doing a similar set up with a small hex tank (5G?) right now. My plan is have it set up for just a male betta and no filter but the water seem to get kind of nasty over the corse of the week. I might have to go with a small filter on it. The trick will be to find one that fits on something that is only 5 inches.

Sorry I went on rambling...

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O.K. Well since my 72gallon is pretty much a "done deal" I got bored so I messed around alittle with my 12g. Tell me what you guys think. New plant additions include some of my E.Stellata from my 72g. You could see the old layout a couple of posts up. I kinda like this cause it shows more beach.



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Looks good man. Only thing I would do different: less beach on the right, more moss. Make it like a big moss field.

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You should angle the set up from front left to back right. Maybe had Nowher said add moss to fill up the space.

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Love it Much better. Becoming quite the masterful scaper aren't you

I disagree with the previous 2 guys. I like the the open area on the right. More depth. It does look like a real natuaral landscape that way.

Should be even better when the Stellaromatica fills in. Having that left corner really bushy will finish it off nicely.

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I am 100% with Bensaf, it looks realllllly nice. Great idea to change the setup .

I also think that having the way left grow taller/bushier will be the final touch.

Sadly though, that means this tank is pretty much done as well . What now tetratech

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Wow, I appreciate the input. Thanks all. Yes, I think I'm really starting to enjoy this hobby, realizing it doesn't take much to create something nice. This setup is bascially javamoss and wistera with a piece of driftwood.

What now tetratech

Im going to disneyworld!


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Im going to disneyworld!

They need a tank designer?

... realizing it doesn't take much to create something nice.

Gee, nice. Now you are telling me that I should have been sticking to easy plants for the 125G .

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They need a tank designer

Yeah ya know that big tank in that restaurant in one of the parks (might be epcot) where you pay off the host to sit you next to it. Their going freshwater planted, I'm consulting

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Right and what did you do.. commandeer Ammono's army?

I am in the mind of thinking that simpler the better. My tank I have 7 or 8 types of plants that are all in their own little space. I think it seems to work better that way. Bigger groups of less plants that is.

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Right and what did you do.. commandeer Ammono's army?

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My Kuhi Loach is a Parrot Head

One thing I find interesting in this tank is the Kuhi loaches. I figured I would never see them, but for some reason they are always visible. I don't have alot of experience with loaches, but I remember going to the store and these guys are always hidden in the tanks. Many times they are just lazily hanging out in the open leaves of the wisteria, sometimes on their side like in this pick. When I first saw this I thought it was dying, but they are not.

I guess the reason for staying in the open is:

1.The feel secure with the ground cover and the sand that they can always hide

2. No predators in the tank






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I think you are right on tetratech,

In particular the secure thing is most certainly a reason why they come out to play (no predators hepls in this department). As has been said any times before: If you give your fish ample opportunities to hide then they will be more in the open

And your wisteria does not only provide hiding spots but maybe also serves as:

- A pillow for them to nap on.
- A Loach Wash (like a car wash) where they get their ski cleaned when wiggleing through it.
- A petting unit, where the gentle movements of the wisteria pet the fish as it slides through.

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- A pillow for them to nap on.
- A Loach Wash (like a car wash) where they get their ski cleaned when wiggleing through it.
- A petting unit, where the gentle movements of the wisteria pet the fish as it slides through.

Not a bad way to go. They also dig through the sand and create air pockets that help keep it clean.

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This tank continues on it's merry way. Slow growing, but really no problems. The only alage is some healthy looking spot algae on the glass. I am now doing the full EI program on this tank. I'm pretty much following the schedule on my 72g, except for the excel in place of the co2. I was thinking about removing the stems from the corner and putting a grassy plant in the left back and having it wraparound the corner.

Tank - 12 gallon bowfront
Light - 27 watts cf
Substrate - pool filter sand, eco complete
Ferts: Excel, no3, po4, flourish
Floura: l.aromatica, rotala rotundilia, wisteria, java moss.
Fauna: Gold tetras, black neons, otos, kuhi loaches





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tetra,

Really like the up dated picture. You can really see the moss on the rocks. Looks great.

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Thanks Wings,

As I said this tank is a pleasure. Almost no maintenance.
I witnessed something interesting with the kuhi loaches that I never realized . I was watching the loach poke it's nose in the sand and I saw the sand shoot out of it's gills. I honestly did not know they did that. They are also keeping the sand really clean.

Tetra loves Kuhi
Bensaf loves MTS


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Wings loves Brillian Rasboras cuz they school so pretty.....

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Yup, very nice, the little island looks good with its beach front .

Say, whatever happened to the Mondo Grass? Did it just not fit in anymore or where there problems with it?

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Say, whatever happened to the Mondo Grass? Did it just not fit in anymore or where there problems with it?

When I changed the looked it really didn't work anymore. Some of the stems didn't die, but weren't looking that good. I left none of the rhizome on some of them. Others had new leafs coming out.


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my kuhlis in my 10 gallon do all that u said urs do. i also noticed a difference in behavior when sand is used, with pea gravel my kuhlis just hid all day but with sand they just sift through the sand and sit on tops of plants it could also have something to do with the fish; my tank just has herlequins so they are not bothered. how do u keep the gravel so clean? i clean the sand atleast once a week but within hours its covered in ppop just as before as before, could it be the shrimp and snails? how come there isnt any algae on the sand? my tank is only 1.5 watts per gallon with no added sopplements but i get patches of bluish green algae where there is the most flow. know how i can fix this? is it true that mondo grass will eventually die in an aquarium?

p.s. sorry for hijacking your thread

resle,
Don't worry about hijacking my thread. All your questions are relevant to the threads discussion.

Sand,
I do surface clean the sand once a week, but it does stay pretty clean. I did have some BGA develop when I first set it up, but with add'l plants and a larger biofilter it stopped.

As much as I like shrimp they will leave poop visible on sand, same with larger snails.

Mondo Grass will eventually fade away if the stems aren't out of the water. I also think many people plant it in the substrate. It has a rhizome like an anubias and that part of the plant shouldn't be buried. So if you have an opentop tank it will thrive if you tie it or wedge it between a rock or a piece of wood.







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well i currently have a hob fit for a 30gal so i dont think that would be the problem ill try adding more plants

one king of algae eater do u use? i got the shrimp and snails because they do a more delicate job then a fish would

how well do your kuhlis sift the sand? so far i havent seen mine even go in it

i do have the mondo grass in the sand but the rhizome is not buried, i dont know what to do with it

heres my tank for your enjoyment

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Very nice.
I spent awhile reading thru your log, very inspirational I must say. The big tanks are nice to look at, but hard for me to relate to - it would be a very long time before I could devote that amount of space and money to a tank!

I really like where you ended up with the scaping. Makes me think of the sand gardens in Japanese gardening. (all you need now is a little rake...HAHA) I am amazed at how clean the sand is - I've been reluctant to try sand b/c I figured it would just be a mess.

I have the exact same desk light that you are using - believe me, I've thought, "got a light sitting there doing nothing. I could put a little tank under that..." However I was afraid that the humidity would cause a problem with the fixture. How long have you had yours over the tank and have you noticed anything adverse? Also, is there a piece that covers the bulb on your light? Mine doesn't have anything and I can't remember if it came with it or not.

resle,
Nice tank, I think you need more plants though.

bettledance,
thanks for the tank comments. I believe I've had the light for at least 4 months without any problems. You are correct there is no cover over the bulb. As you can see the bulb is a good ways away from the water so I don't believe any moisture is hitting it.

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So far so good. I've seen no problems in the tank since starting a regular EI routine. The plants are growing, but slowly, Alittle spot algae on the glass, but nothing to worry about. Notice the kuli loach front and center.



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One of the reasons the sand is staying clean and aerated.





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Wow, they really dig down in the sand - I thought perhaps they would get only just under the surface. How many of those guys do you have in there? And please excuse my ignorance - what does EI mean?

Estimative Index. It is a way of dosing your Ferts so that you get great growth of your plants and no algea. If you have it figured out.

Google Tom Barr's for more info

Edit: Forgot to say something! Nice pictures tetra! Loach is cool and it looks like your plants are doing well as usual.

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Yup Tetratech,

Looking nice as usual

There are shrimp in there, right? If so, how are they doing (and what), if not, maybe you should add some. Or maybe 4 cories, I somehow feel sad for the beautiful beach with only one resident building a sand castle. There should be more diggers.

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Thanks for the comments
Actually there are two kulis in there, no shrimp, although I am thinking of adding a few. I assume the loaches won't mind. There are also 3 otos in the tank, in which two of them are visible in the first pic, unless LF spots the third.



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I think i found all three! But I went to paint them and it made the picture so small that you can't even tell what I did! So I will leave it up to LF!

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Ok then,

There are two Otos in the picture (yellow circles).

And the one that Wings believes he has found is a Kuhli Loach (greenish circle).



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Very good, but when I looked at the pic again, I'm thinking the one in the green circle is an oto facing forward, but I'm not 100% sure.

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Thats what I was look at! And if tetra is with me then we have a 2 to 1 win for me.

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Guess I'm alittle bored too.
Here's a current pic, Ignore the Blyxa in the upper right corner. I put them in there to see if they would live, not for scaping purposes.

This tank continues to be clean and easy. No real problems with a combination of 2.2wpg, EI, and Excel everyday.

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I added a few of Yamatos to help keep the java moss clean.



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Very nice tetratech,

How is the moss doing in the areas where the Wisteria is shading it? Does it grow more stringy?

When did you start the Blyxa experiment? Keep us posted how it worked out.

So, when did you go to the LFS and bought the Amano shrimp, and how did you resist buying anything else, or didin't you?

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I haven't seen much of a difference yet in the shaded area of moss vs part in direct sun. I've actually been clipping the left alittle each week so it doesn't stay shaded that long.

The Blyxa been in there about a week ever since I expanding my riccia foreground, It bascially got squeezed out and I fiqured I would see if it will grow/survive in this tank.

Actually I stopped at a store coming back from a meeting that I usually don't go to and they had a whole tankload of the shrimp for $1.99 so I took five and put 2 in the 12 and added another 3 in the 72g.



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I've decided to use my 12gallon as a sort of "play" tank where I try different things, etc. Here is the result of a 30 minute makeover. You might recognize the main rock

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Tetra,
This looks pretty good. I like how it has different levels.

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Thanks Wings,
It needs to grow in a bit and I will be playing around with the rock positioning some more. I thing it creates a nice beach edge with a rocky hill behind it.

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I've decided to use my 12gallon as a sort of "play" tank where I try different things

That is exactly what I use my 20QT for. If there are only the main fish in there and nobody to be QTed for a while then I go ahead and mess with it.

Your 30min overhaul is sure nice tetratech, also the way you "package" the picture is getting pretty darn good. You are selling us a rectangulat shaped tank as a cube .

And yes, even before I read the words in your post I did identify the 72s rock.

About the current setup in itself: it looks very nice. The most impressive thing about it to me is how small the fish look, or, in other words, when looking at the fish and then the size of the rock it seems as if the tank is much larger. Ergo: great job on creating space

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That is exactly what I use my 20QT for. If there are only the main fish in there and nobody to be QTed for a while then I go ahead and mess with it.

At least you have 8 add'l gallons to play with

Thanks for the comments. I cut out the heater that was moved to the right side of the tank, thus the cube shape.

I guess I'll keep this look for a while and fine-tune it.
Right now there is moss and blyxa in the tank, but I might decide to do moss only or change the blyxa since I don't think I want to cater to it's demands in this tank once the
saltwater tank is up.

EDIT: Good observation on the fish size. The rock is very large for a 12g and the gold tetra are very small it does create a larger inpression.

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The rock is very large for a 12g

How much water did it take up?

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Hm,

Wings brings up a very good point that I haven't even thought about. This rock may reduce your net water volumn quite a bit.

But I assume with a rather small fish load that should not be a problem.

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Never really thought about it. It's big, but I don't think it displaces more than a gallon or so. Having taken the 4 black neons out a while ago, there is now:

8 Gold Tetras
2 Kuli loaches
3 RCS
2 Amanos
2 Otos (Lost one, first fish lost in this tank since setup)

I'll be honest I've tossed around the idea of using this tank to try to breed my Bolivians or rams, but I would have to remove the tetras and the Kuli. I thought about getting rid of my 4 rummys and 4 black neons and putting the gold tetras in my 72, but the rummys have been with me forever. My big rummy actually survived the brewery incident and along with my big bolivian is my oldest fish.

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I didn't want LF to think I ran out and got a cube tank, so here is a wider shot with heater in pic.



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Dang it tetratech....I was thinking of using the petrified wood looking rocks in my new setup, but I was going to have a very difficult time finding one large enough. I'm not sure I can do that anymore with a setup as nice as this.

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Well thanks Matty, but I'm sure you'll do fine. No two tanks are exactly alike so there's always something interesting to do. I personally like using big pieces because of the dramatic effect they have.

I'm getting excited to start working with the live rock soon. Should be alot of fun

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Matty - First my tank dimensions and substrate, then tetratech's rocks, what's next - Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants?

I like the big rock in that tank too, and thanks for showing a full shot

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Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants?

You might have unleashed the beast! He hasn't been around in a while. Maybe it is a good thing that the beast be lose again.

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Glad to hear you are about ready to get some LR. Try to let it sit as long as possible before getting fish. Let the critters get a head start, you'll appreciate it later.

Matty - First my tank dimensions and substrate, then tetratech's rocks, what's next - Bensaf's hotch-potch of plants?

Hey my tank is a few inches taller. Obviously I can't use the rocks like tetratech anymore, but I'll try as hard as I can to copy bensaf's "hotch-potch" of plants

Wings - are we talking about bensaf as a beast? I can't imagine any beast with a skirt and flowers in his ear

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Did your mama never tell you not to poke a sleeping dragon ?

Hotch potch "A wonderfully well thought out collection of eclectic aquatic botanic lifeforms arranged in an aesthetically pleasing and eyecatching array of dazzling color, complimenting textures and shapes that provide a visual bonanza to the eyes, while providing a cacophony of sensual pleasures that stir the soul and stimulate the front lobal brain cells of the observer" is the phrase I prefer to use.

Pfft..."hotch potch"

Anyways....I like the new set up, see what you are doing, but the main rock is a bit too thick and plain. Something a little thinner with a bit more shape ?

I won't lower myself to comment on cheap jibes about skirts and flowers. Suffice to say...if you've got it, flaunt it.

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if you've got it, flaunt it.

I have to agree Bensaf, sorry to poke fun. I just wish I could wear a sword at my wedding. Call me jealous, of that, and your plants.

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I just wish I could wear a sword at my wedding.

Marriage isn't all bliss and romance. There are days I wish I held on the that sword

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and all the married men say.......amen

The wife would have loved a sword at the wedding. We did have Betta vaces set up as cake stands though. That was even her idea too! I guess I should scan some pictures for you guys.

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I like the new set up, see what you are doing, but the main rock is a bit too thick and plain. Something a little thinner with a bit more shape

I could see what your saying about the thickness and consistent shape. This was a first "positional" setup and I'm still getting a feel for it. The rock will probably be adjusted somewhat, changed before I'm done.

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...before I'm done

Done? I didn't know that term existed in the planted tank world

Anyway tetratech, I like the rock, and albeit a thinner one may look even better, what you have now is not too shabby.

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Lobster anyone?

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Niiicccceeee

Very good shot. But I have to decline your lobster offer:

- I don't eat anything that lives in the water (already since before I got into fish tanks)
- I would not be able to eat such a large portion

Tetratech - I have to say that in the last month or so your photo taking skills (or at least the ones that you share with us) seem to have greatly improved. Not too long ago, you never shared a close-up with us and not you deliver one beautiful shot after the other. Wonderful

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tetra,

I really like the new set up! I think maybe a few more bits of blyxa, or even something thinner and more vertical like dwarf hairgrass around the smaller rocks, and maybe some "normal" hairgras around the large rock would help break up the flatter look of the java moss garden. But that's just a nit, it looks very nice as is.

And don't worry, I'll take care of that lobster for LF. I'll eat most anything that comes from the ocean, ESPECIALLY lobsters/ shrimp/ crawfish. In fact, I think I've eaten MORE seafood since I've started fish/ plant/ shrimp keeping because they sit there in their little tanks and tempt me all day long!

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Nice picture tetra!

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okay well i have to agree the tank has a great feel to it...makes you stop and stare.

I like the look but think if you want to keep the rock maybe soften the apperance a bit.

my idea was(after looking over all the log and at every picture) would be to start from the right side and place just a few wisteria creeping down from the Volcvanic looking part of the island. then behind the Volcano(thats what im calling it because everyone says it an island theme) would be to place some rotala in there again and maybe some ludwiga repens...Just my idea...i kinda have the same thing going on in my 15 gallon and i have some tiger lotus growing over it and some ludwigia on the left side on the corner as well.

it's cool looking

i hope you take this idea and run with it i think you'll be impressed

Tetra, I some random questions...How do you like the sand? Is it pretty easy to clean?

I will be setting up my 38g soon and would like to have pool sand as my substrate. I will be planting it also, so just wondering if people like it.

The tank looks very nice by the way. I like it!

I don't eat anything that lives in the water (already since before I got into fish tanks)

Wow LF...I don't either...and didn't before I got into fish keeping..

*Kristin*

Thanks for the tank comments.


Some of those plant suggestions would definitely work, my only issue with this tank right now is light. Right now I have an 18watt coralife fixture on top. Not sure if I want to bump it up or keep it low light, low maintenance. I ditched the desklamp more for aestitic reasons outside the tank then anything else.

This is far from "done" and I will be adjusting things over the next few weeks.

GirlieGirl8519,
The pool filter sand works out fine. It's really like very small gravel, but gives the appearance of sand.
But I think using it successfully is dependent on a few.

1.In the areas thats that aren't planted keep the sand very low
2.Have something that might stir the sand up to eliminate anaerobic activity (Bensaf recommends MTS)
3.Keep up with water changes and gravel washes.
4.Keep lowest fish load possible.


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Thanks for the tips on the sand...I'll remember those when I'm planning this tank.

*Kristin*

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I've fine-tuned this tank a bit and I'm starting to get excited about it. The java covered rocks have been piled higher against the main rock to give it a steeper more rugged mountainous look. The beach to the lower right is more clearly defined with the curves of the shoreline.
I also rotated the rock slightly to show off a more interesting edge. The highest rock to the left will soon be covered completely in java moss to complete the mountainous look. A few more small pieces of rock have been added here and there on the mountain for definition and depth. I will eventually allow some java to cover the left face of the rock to soften it and blend it more into the overall terrain.

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Looking very nice tetratech

You sure made this tank much bigger than it really is (mine look mostly smaller than they are ). I like the end of a mountain range falling down towards a beach layout. It is a very nice theme in nature that pretty much every person appreciates (like the Cliffs in Dover, England, or the Main coast line in the area of Arcadia National Park).

Question: albeit I am sure that the moss is growing slowly, what is your trimming process?

On a little side note: I think that the enourmous black border you put around the picture is counter-functional. The larger-than-life tank seems to be shrinking. But maybe that is only my skewed visual taste

Otherwise, really really nice,

Ingo

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Thanks for the comments LF

Question: albeit I am sure that the moss is growing slowly, what is your trimming process?

Most of the time I simply trim the areas with a scissor that I could reach, but the beauty of this setup is that each rock has it's own hairnet, so when I can't trim in the tank I simply remove that one rock, gravel wash under it, trim it and put it back in.

Kinda of experimenting with different looks that's the reason for the big black border. Thanks for your comments on that as well.

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I am always worried about my mosses if they are close to the ground. I found that they are rather invasive and in particular in my 29G experience other plans dying from moss tangling up all around them.

Having them on rocks and avoiding that they grow into each other, in a sense of interconnecting the rocks and as such more or less locking them in place, seems to be a great solution to avoid my issues.

I still find bits and pieces of Xmas Moss in my 125, although it is over 20 weeks ago that I removed Rock Valley, its original host rocks.

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Having them on rocks and avoiding that they grow into each other, in a sense of interconnecting the rocks and as such more or less locking them in place, seems to be a great solution to avoid my issues.

I think it works, although I feel stupid going into drugstores and buying hairnets . Next I'll be wearing skirts like Bensaf It's so much easier than using string. So far I've never had a problem with the nets although there is always the possibilty that a kuli loach can get stuck in one.




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I am getting pretty good at the string thing. All I do is that I make a loop that I can tighten, then wrap it around the rock and plant, tighten it, and depending on the plant that needs attachment (moss, fern, anubias) I may wrap it around this combination a few times. I don't even make a knot in the other end, I finish the string so that it is on the bottom of the rock and that keeps all in place. Tying up all these Anubias and Ferns in the 40G took much less time than planting the crazy Micro Swords, 100 plugs of them .

Ingo

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Ok, Is it just me or does that big rock look like a monkey skull.

I swear its damn eyes are following me

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Ok, Is it just me or does that big rock look like a monkey skull.

Oh here we go again. When the rock was in my 72g with rotala r behind it Nowher thought it looked like Hendrix now you think it looks like a monkey skull. I thinking your tripping man. I have to rotate it a little more to get rid of that perception. The moss is going to start climbing up it soon so I'm thinking it might end up looking like that tomb in "Raiders of the lost arc" with the vines everywhere. Geez try to do something different and everyone's got serious psychological issues.

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I thinking your tripping man.

You beat me to it

Thanks a lot, now that's all I can see when I look at it!


p.s. I like it, looks great besides the whole monkey skull thing...

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I've tried to learn the planted tank ways, but your all against me, even my master. Uncle Ben (Obi-One) is jealous because he found out about my midichlorine count and it blows away his puny I.Q. That's it, you've pushed me to the Darkside of the Moss.

Please look for my new 46 Gallon Reef Log coming soon at a marine aqua Forum near you.



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Please look for my new 46 Gallon Reef Log coming soon at a marine aqua Forum near you.

Woot!/:'

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WOW coming along nicely!!!


Okay so now that your down to only 18 watts,which if i remember correctly, you'll have about a lil over 1 watt, you could prolly still put a nice bunch plant behind the mountain. did you ever think of maybe val. spiralis? might be intresting

Anywho i have a question...im setting up my 55 gallon and want to do the whole sand thing but i wanted to know would you personally mix some laterite into the bottom half? or my other thing would be to use onyx sand?

Tetra sorry if im might be stealing your forum but the question was to you but i know Ben and LF come here i figured they would help to.

But yeah i really do like the tank...i might do a ten gallon this way...just to give it a try.

We're there any plants that you have or had in the tank that have done really well for you? and how is the algae problem going? got it delt with and how did you do it?



Keep it up Tetra and i'll be back hoping to see another pic soon of how it's looking

Anywho i have a question...im setting up my 55 gallon and want to do the whole sand thing but i wanted to know would you personally mix some laterite into the bottom half? or my other thing would be to use onyx sand?

If you mix laterite with sand you'll probably end up with the laterite on top and the sand on the bottom since the smaller grain sand will work it's way thru the laterite during gravel washes, etc. It really depends on how much your planting, ferts, co2, everything. I believe Bensaf has a beautiful "hotch-potch" of plants in all sand.

We're there any plants that you have or had in the tank that have done really well for you? and how is the algae problem going? got it delt with and how did you do it?

Haven't had much in there other than the javamoss since I went to 18w. I could probably put some stems in there, but right now I like the simplicity of the rock and moss. When I had the 27watts I had rotala r and armomatic and they both grew. I might go that route again, because I'm toying with the idea of getting a 28watt coralife cf fixture.



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What I do ???

I like the tank, it's a really nice natural well laid out tank. Simple and effective.

I ain't out to get you.I love it

It's ...just....the eyes....the eyes....they....follow me....every....where......

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lol okay cool hope to get some new pics of the tank after you get the new tinkering done i might do the java moss rocks in my tank as well

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The following pictures might be scary. Some people see monkey skulls. You've been warned

Anyway some updated pics of my 12g since I moved it from the bedroom upstairs to a part of my kitchen downstairs. Some of rocks shifted so I had to rebuild it alittle and fix the javamoss covered rocks etc.



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Since it's an open top tank and my light is an 18w coralife reflected I had to somehow keep a 9" reflector on top of a 20" tank. I accomplished this by hanging it from the cabinet above with picture hanging wire.



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I temporarily put a white background on the tank since the cabinet that it's setting on his a tumbled marble background. Didn't like it as you can see in this pic of the main inhabitants. These gold tetras are a great little school. I haven't lost any since I setup the tank.



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This tank sure is sharp. Simple seems to work very well making this small tank look much bigger than it is.

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Thanks Wings
I was thinking about upping the lighting and going more high-tech on the tank, but I don't think I will. With my 72g to maintain and a saltwater I'm trying to get off the ground I think this tank will remain simple. I'll probably have to swap the Blyxa for some rubber plants (Anubias). Anyone got some Nana their trying to get rid of?

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I take it you got rid of the bucket of Anubias?

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I take it you got rid of the bucket of Anubias?

Wow, you have a good memory. I did eventually get rid of it, but I should have keep it, it probably would still be alive

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Wow, you have a good memory.

I tend to scare myself sometimes. Although I believe you had the word FREE hooked on to the bucket of anubias because you didn't think they were really alive. That word free gets hook on me somewhere and doesn't let go.



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I tend to scare myself sometimes

Yeah - you scare me too, sometimes

Tetratech,

I find that this tank is looking just dandy, but it also looks like it is done. As in - nothing to mess with. I am sure you can use the free time for the salt setup though.

Interesting surface that the tank sits on, I like how it reflects part of the tank.

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I find that this tank is looking just dandy, but it also looks like it is done. As in - nothing to mess with. I am sure you can use the free time for the salt setup though.

One of the reasons I'll probably keep this tank low-tech is just what you said about free time to work the salt setup. Thanks for the tank comments. Actually I plan on working the moss into a higher level around the main rock and adding some other plants. I'm probably going to tak out the Blyxa (I don't think it will make it) and put in some small anubias or fern.

Interesting surface that the tank sits on, I like how it reflects part of the tank.

My kitchen was recently redone with granite countertops so that is the reflection you see.

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I personally would keep the main rock as clean as it is right now, I think having moss climb up on it would take away some of its majestic appearance, if you know what I mean.

Trying out a Blyxa somewhere on the low ground sounds good, given that you have a hidden substrate in there anyway. Why do you think it wouldn't make it - light?

Ingo

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Trying out a Blyxa somewhere on the low ground sounds good, given that you have a hidden substrate in there anyway. Why do you think it wouldn't make it - light?

Yes, I think light is the biggest issue. I'm only running 18w cf although I probably displaced 3g with my monkey skull so I guess I'm at about 2wpg not much for a 9g tank. I think you misunderstood me I'm not planning to put the blyxa lower in fact I would stand a better chance if I went higher. I think I'm gonna go Anubias nana or some other lowlight small leafed plant.
I'm not doubting that Tankwatcher's Blyxa is growing, but I'll be very surprised. Doesn't she have just 1.6wpg or did she upgrade.

Oh, you know about the EC in the back corner?



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Oh, you know about the EC in the back corner?

Sure do, you mentioned it once in some content that I don't remember though.

Higher is no good to me, it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like him

Anubias nana is ok, nana petite is perfect. You managed to make this tank look huge, keep it that way.

Ingo

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Tetra,
We know all about you.

it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like him

Maybe we shouldn't go there.....

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Higher is no good to me, it takes away from Mr. Monkey, and I like him

Thanks guys, but I really thing the monkey skull scares Bensaf. What about a java moss hairdo on top of the monkey skull.

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but I really thing the monkey skull scares Bensaf.

It reminds me of an ex-girlfriend...shudder

What about a java moss hairdo on top of the monkey skull

No. Bald is good. A bag over it's head might help though

The Anubias petite would be great where the Blxa is. Wasn't chaos maximus (all hail !!) trying to give away all his petites ?
Cryptocore parva would look good in that spot too.

Or you could try some riccia for contrast with the moss. I've had it grow in non co2 with not a huge amount of light (in a small tank) absolutely fine. It even pearled on occassion.

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Cryptocore parva.... I would like to get my hands on that plant! It's never on any of the list at work though. I guess that means I have to spend the big bucks and buy it online some day.

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Played around with the tank alittle and removed some java from the front left corner and created more beachfront property. I used some of the java and made the mountain alittle higher. Better or worse? I also slighly rotated the rock. See Bensaf nothing to be scared of

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wow okay this just keeps getting better everytime i come back to this post.

now you cant see the monkey face

well i agree with the whole anubias petite thing would really contrast well and give it a bit of flow.

my only thing is if you can get the new varigated form really cool...might have to order it in somewhere but its REALLY worth it

keep it going TETRATECH

Hm,

I liked it better the other way. Now the island seems small compared to the rest of the tank, aka beach front. As a matter of fact, now it seems like the plants and rocks are the entire island, while before one could have imagined to view a section of an island that expands outside of the tanks confinements.

But that is just my opinion,

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I defintely see what your saying. Before you could use more of your imagination of the island size, etc. I always respect your opinion, epecially your eye for detail.
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the litte bit of eco showing in the back left corner.

BTW - I also threw a piece of white foam board behind the tank as you coud see in the pic.

Well, what's fun about this tank is that it's so easy to play around with.

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Ah, Darn,

I missed the Eco

I guess I am getting old and my sense of observation is in decline. Very soon I may not even notice anymore that these pictures that are posted at FP are about fish tanks

About the foam and the easiness for change: That is how I feel about the background of my 20G (although I am not as flexible as you are when it comes to the interior). Whenever I feel like it, I simply cut a new colored cardboard to size and voila, a new impression arises

Ingo

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Another view of the tank. I'm starting to enjoy this one. It's fun to tinker with it. I added a few more pieces of rock to give it more depth.

Now that's a wet bar

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I promised myself I wouldn't try adding and Hygro Difformis but I couldn't resist. I put a vew sprigs in to see how it would look. the wisteria constrasts great with the dark moss. Anubias Nana has a light green variety?



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Now that's a wet bar

- exactly my thought.

Tetratech, I think to remember that youhave mixed moss and wisteria before, but my personal experience wasn't all that great. I had this in my 20G QT and over time the two plants started to grow heavily into each other, to a point where neither not was growing healthy. The moss suffocated the wisteria in some spots, in others the roots (water roots) of the wisteria interwebbed with the moss so much that the mix became one clump.

I think you can avoid this with frequent checking on the situation and trimming when required, but this means that the tank is on a higher level of maintenance than it was before.

And now go and open one of these wine bottles for us please

Ingo

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Yes in the long-run the java would overgrow the moss, but the tank is on such a small scale it's nothing to cut the wisteria out and replace with my endless supply from my 72g.

And now go and open one of these wine bottles for us please

Now that you brought it up. Do open-top aquariums on bars work? I mean if someone pours a drink it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for some to fall into my tank .

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Bar's and open top tanks? A couple of years ago I living in a house with 8 others that kind of liked to party and drink alot. It wasn't a good thing. Hence I never had a tank set up outside my locked room. Odds of a beer being fed to the fish was way to high. Though I bet it wouldn't be much worse that your DIY CO2 issue a while back.

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Lose the Wisteria. It doesn't fit in. Having it there isn't adding anything rather just distracting from the overall look.

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Hi,
I tend to agree with Ben. The moss and rocks are a
pleasure to view and seem to blend together. The
addition of the three pieces of wisteria, seem to
shock or grab the eye and leave me thinking "what/how
did they get there." For me, they disrupt the "flow"
of the tank.
Frank


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i personally think they look like miniture palm trees in the lush tropical forest on mount monkey island

but yah get rid of them thats the first thing that draws your eye and you loose everything else.

like said before do some petite

Frank and Ben,
Thanks, just making sure your paying attention.

Braty Boy,
uh, , thanks

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whats wrong tetra? didnt get wgat i said (maybe lost a bit?
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well yah

Well since you guys are so intent on having cichlid chat dominate the planted tank forums, I decided to get in on the fun.

Meet Mr and Mrs. Apistogrammar Agassizi Double Red:




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I'm 99% sure I got the correct female. I caught these myself and it took me a good 1/2 hour to do so. They were in a hugh end-cap tank with disc and other apistogrammars including Borelli and Nijsseni.



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Too be honest the male wasn't the one I was originally going for but I gave up after literally tearing the tank apart. It was aquascaped with alot of wood, rock and plants:



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I cannot beliefe this. First all the ranting about me talking Apistos, and then this

Well, glad to see that you obviously like these kind of fishies

I cannot tell right of the bat if you got the correct female, but given the elongated body you seem to be correct.

About Agassizi: If I am not mistaken then they are quite a challenge to breed in a tank, with super low ph and what not. At least when compared to Cacs. But I guess that was not your intention anyway.

So, tell us more. How come you got them? And why did you have to fish them out by yourself (or did you insist) ?

Anyway, congratulations,

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Thanks Ingo!

Well, glad to see that you obviously like these kind of fishies

Actually if you look way back in my 72g log (can't remember the page), I did mention I wanted to get some apistos for that tank, but I just never did. I was afraid they would get lost in the wisteria jungle and I would never see my new expensive fish.

I cannot tell right of the bat if you got the correct female, but given the elongated body you seem to be correct.

It was tough, because their were so many yellowish looking females in the tank. Alot had a big black circle on the side which I think develops for breeding, but I believe those were the nissizi.

About Agassizi: If I am not mistaken then they are quite a challenge to breed in a tank, with super low ph and what not. At least when compared to Cacs. But I guess that was not your intention anyway

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Well for now they will be in the 12g. I plan on making some inventory changes. Looks like I'm going to get rid of my pencils and black neons (9 fish in total) and move my kulis and gold tetras into the 72g. I will then have only the crs and apistos in the 12g. So far they haven't been bothering them and I already so the female eat a snail. To be honest the apistos arent' that much bigger than the golds or the crs.

So, tell us more. How come you got them? And why did you have to fish them out by yourself (or did you insist) ?

Yeah, I know the people in the store pretty well and I catch my own fish.



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Tetratech,

Here is A Link to the double red Apisto. The female, maybe because she is in the mood, looks colorwise quite different

She doesn't look like a Borelli female to me either, and neither like a Nijsseni.

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Thanks Ingo. See that's the confusion. The female double red in your link has that big black dot, similiar to the other females in the tank, but the Nijsseni has big black smudges:

http://www.apistogramma.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=44

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OK,

This Really Odd Site has some Apistos Double Red that look like your female, so that is good.

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Nice pics anyway. Yeah I think I got the right one, found this pic on aquaworld. Not a good pic, but it looks very similar to mine and it's identified as an Agassizi anyway.





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The male has that nice blue ram sparkle to the face area.
Yeah know, looking at the male, with all the yellow/gold I wonder if these are gold/reds and not double-reds.



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Tetratech,

Glad you have a positive ID, not knowing what fish I have drives me nuts.

About double and stuff: I think the number of fins (of dorsal, caudal, and anal) that are of a certain color identifies what it would be called. In your case, I see 2 red ones, hence Double-Red.

On my orange, on the other hand, I see all 3 are orange, so why where they called Double-Orange? I think I will go with Robyn's suggestion and call them Orange-Flash, I like that better anyway

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Just popped in to say great job!

It looks much bigger than it is and is very pleasing to the eye.

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If you sing to me in French.

Nice fish Tetra! Those are probably my favorite Apisto along with the ones LF has now.

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A couple of new pics of fish and tank. First the male apisto. Excuse the spot algae on the glass.



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Here's a pic showing the female double-red going up the rugged terrain and encountering Mr. Shrimp:



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This pic isn't the greatest, but I like how it depicts the male highup looking down at the female to the mid front of the tank.



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A rather common fish, but one that I also think is beautiful is the Kuhi Loach depicted here:






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