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Magenta Growing at the rear of the Jungle

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Stellata and Magenta

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Close up of the Heads of the Stellata and Magenta

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A couple of close ups of the Algae attack ...first some of the small swords in the front right ...looks to me like the Black algae has gone red which I think I've read is the colour it goes when it dies off . Should I leave those leaves or cut them off .?

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Some Bacopa which doesn't show the black algae looking as red ...but may be going that way ???? we will see .

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A few Fishy Photos to finish.. The Albino Shark enjoying the regrowth of the Wisteria

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A Male Coral Blue Gourami

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A Male Flame Dwarf Gourami

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A Bristlenose

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Loaches in the River .. Notice the Larger Female being attended by the smaller male

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This is ( I think anyway) a really interesting series of shots. First as I was taking shots of the Jungle I could see the Golden Barb School millingh around behind the jungle in a clearing in the river . Then 2 of them poked through the jungle and watched me .

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Then It looked like they turned and called the others over to see what the silly human was doing ... a few more started watching me .

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Then A few mor came over ....

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Finally all 8 were peering through the stems at me ...quite a wierd feeling

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Thats it for this week ...next week will see a lot of replanting ...again and some trimming but nothing major .

Remember he's always watching.



Garry

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Garry

Seriously dude, I sooo envy your tank man, i cant beleive how good it looks and how healthy your fish are, My tanks are killing me especially the 35 gallon as i dont have control over it.

Keep up the good work and dont let the man get ya down pal

Shane

Thanks for your input as always, Shane
http://thetanklog.blogspot.com/ - [ Thanks to ScottF ]
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Country,

Great photes as always! Very impressive work!

Swords ~ In many cases the farms that grow plants to sell in LFS grow them emerged. This does a couple of things. First the plants are going to grow a bit quicker and use CO2 from the atmosphere. This saves some equipment cost for the farmers. Now the second part is that the plants generally ship better and will be algae free being they were not grown in the water.

The down side to this is most of us want to grow our plants submerged. This means the plant needs to change its leaf form. Most swords have a long skinny leaf when submerged(this is not always the case - I think). The plant now has to go through a process to change leaf forms.

From your pictures that's what it looks like to me anyways. While working in a LFS we got tons of swords that came in looking much like yours do to only have the old leaves die off and new skinny leaves grow in. I had to take some extra time with customers to explain that. If I didn't they would often think they couldn't grow plants and toss in the towel.

There is my 2 cents...

Also, from my prospective the swords on the right side seem a bit out of place in that jungle with all the fine leaved plants to their left. They might look a bit better as some sort of a center piece plant.



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Wings ...Thanks for the compliment ... I knew about the Emersed thing and I got the place
I bought them to check before I would buy them ...so I have 2 emersed and 1 submerged .
Just thought I'd try a little experiment of my own to see how they would grow over time .
Would I get different leaf type etc ... Too early to say as yet .. but it will be interesting .
The plant that threw up the deformed new leaf was one of the emersed grown ones ...
not sure what that means . The other emersed grown one is putting out healthy new
leaves and while they look a little narrower.. they are very similar to the emerse grown
leaves... at least to my eyes .

We will see as time goes on .

I know what you mean about these plants not looking to be in the right place ...I tried
to put them in the centre of the tank ...they were just too big ..so they ended up on
the right . Not sure they will stay there ...only time will tell .

Thanks for your thoughts


Garry

Week 38 Update

No changes to the tank this week other than good growth of the Giant Hygro and the Wisteria as well as a major trim to the swords in the river to get rid of old and algae infected leaves .

So just afew photos this week , firstly the Full Tank last week.

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Full Tank this week

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Right Side

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Left Side

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River

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Rock group and Annubias

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Close up of the Regrown Giant Hygro

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Close up of the Jungle showing the Wisteria now providing a solid background

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Last shot this week of the Swords in the River after trimming .

No Plans for any major changes next week .


Garry

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Looking good garry, are you having any problems with the anubias growing on the substrate rather than rocks or DW? Just a thought as to where I might go with mine.

Also Im glad to see the wysteria doing well in the back.

Shane

Thanks for your input as always, Shane
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Update Weeks 39 & 40

Its Autumn here in Aus and all good gardeners are working hard getting their gardens
ready for winter . I've been busy mulching our hectare of gardens over the last couple
of weeks ...its a big job and there's not much time or energy for anything else including
fish tanks . I'm not finished yet ( about half done ) but its raining today so I got a break
to take a few photos of the tank . Never fear normal maintaince has of course been done
as usual but no trimming or any changes have been made .

The only new thing was the addition of 12 Tigers and 12 Golden Barbs to raise both
herds to 20 . I bought these online and I must say that they arrived in very good condition
and have settled in well .

So just a few photos..first the tank 2 weeks ago .

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Full Tank This week

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Right side

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Left Side

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River

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Annubias and Rocks ..in answer to your question Shane the Annubias seem to be doing ok ...but I've moved them a couple of times( at least ) and I wouldn't say they were powering .

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The Giant Hygro close up ... this stuff just keeps growing Fast

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Swords and Crypts near the River

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Java Ferns on the Driftwood over the River

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The Stellata ...Magenta and Bacopa have reached the surface

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The Large Swords showing a lot of degeneration ..but also lots of new leaves which are still growing in deformed

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Thats it for the plants ..just a couple of fishy photos to finish ..you may have noticed in a few of the pics that a couple of Angels are hanging around the algae scraper on the right . Well thats because they have layed eggs on it . Heres a close up ....not much chance of survival in this tank however .

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Thats it for this update . will be working in the garden again as soon as rain stops .. so not much will happen over the next couple of weeks .

Last shot for the night ...a different shark to leave you with ...a much more dainty and pretty little fellow .


Garry

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Beautiful shark!
And your plants! They almost make me want to get more myself! Maybe someday......we'll see.

Thanks Patty ...been away for a few weeks ..will update the log in the next few days .


Garry

Update Weeks 41 -44

I can't believe its been 4 weeks since I updated the log . My how time flys when you get busy ...between the gardens ( oh my aching back ) and visiting friends interstate ...I haven't had much time .

Sooooo ... whats happened in the tank ...well not a lot really . I am still not happy with the layout so I started this week to make some small changes . The area next to the river on the left was always supposed to be a low foreground plant type of area ...but the crypts in that area had grown too large ... also the baby swords in the river were annoying me a bit . So out they all came as well as one of the bigger swords in the river .
I then replanted with some very tiny crypts that should remain small ( lol ..we will see ???).
I've added a couple of new annubias to the rock group as well as a couple of new plants ( not sure of the name ) .

The Wisteria at the rear of the scape on the centre right continues to grow but is a right royal pain to keep in place . The Swords on the right are also proving to be a dissapointment and as Wings said in his post just recently they look out of place .
My next job I think will be to fix up this area ...I'm thinking of replacing all the swords with a big bunch of Val ( I've never been a fan ) or Crypts Balansae.

On the fish side I've added some 20 Buenos Aires Tetras and a few more Golden and Tiger barbs as well as some more rainbows.

Thats about it so onto the photos . The Full tank 4 weeks ago .

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Full Tank this week

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Right side

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Left Side

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New River mouth ...I forgot to mention that i ditched the rock in the middle of the river ...wanted to give a more open feel with the change to the left of the river .

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The rock group and the new Anubbias etc

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The new left side of the river

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New plant with no name ( haven't had time to research it yet ) Anyone got a name to save an old man a lot of work

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A close up of the Jungle foreground

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The Stellata and Magenta

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Swords and Bacopa

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A couple of Fishy photos to finish ...My new Buenos Aires Tetra

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An SAE enjoying the new River frontage .

Next couple of weeks look to be very busy again ..however I've ordered some new plants ... I finally took the plunge and ordered a Red Tiger lotus ( not sure where to put it yet ) I just wanted one after seeing Claudia's . I also ordered some Telanthera and some Didiplus Diandra . Will probably order some Val and Balansea as well . So could be quite a few changes over the next couple of weeks .


Garry

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awsome pics...how did posting all that take you???? lol good job

33 gallon 7 neon tetras-5 platys-3 bleeding heart tetras-2 corys-1 rainbow shark-2 L83 gibby plecos

Countryfish,

Thanks for all the photos. I really need to get my hands on a camera again to get pictures of my tank up. Much has changed.

As for your giant tank, it seems most of your plants are growing rather well. Things still seem rather lush.

A Few things I would try in terms of an scape would be to start grouping some of your stem plants tighter together. I think the left side really needs to be tightened up in the back. Right right side seems to have pretty tight groups but has just a ton and a half of different types of plants. I think that makes it look a little messy.

I like the new open river area. The one thing I would change is to let it flow farther back into the tank. As it goes back let it get smaller. This will make the tank look much deeper.

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Looks like Lobelia cardinalis

Platy boy ....It takes me about and hour to post an update ..but about 4 hours to take the photos .

Wings ...Thanks mate ...I know I have a lot of work and thinking to do to get both sides of the tank the way I want them to look. Nothing has quite worked out the way I planned originally ...which doesn't bother me that much ..but as Ingo warned me would happen I'm starting to get over having so many different types of plants. I suppose I was just experimenting and trying different things . I think next week will see some substantial changes . I just haven't had the time of late . Will see if it happens next week .

Clownloachfan ...Thanks for that ...looks right .

Garry

Update week 45 .

This week saw some very modest changes . Replanted some of the Crypts and Swords that were removed from the foreground in previous weeks to the midground . Replanted the Wisteria once again ( becoming a weekly task . Moved one of the pieces of driftwood ( with Bolbitus) to on top of the rock . The plant has been cut back to the rizome and still appears to be alive but barely ...perhaps being closer to the light may help it?

As I said in the post above I have some big decisions to make and as its time to clean the main Filter ..I should do it now before the cleaning as I'm sure to make a lot of mess . Good news is I finally got my hands on a Tiger Lotus and some Didiplus Diandra...so lots of decisions to make .

On a sad note we lost the Albino Shark this week .. he was going on 4 years old ...no visable sign of disease so I have to assume he had reached his time . Very sad he was one of my favourites .

Ok on to the photos ..The Full Tank Last week

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Full Tank this week

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Right Side

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Left Side

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River

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A close up of the Annubias and Rocks notice the Driftwood on top of the rocks

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Replanted Crypts

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The Small Crypts settling in

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The Stellata area

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Thats it for the plants this week ...a couple of Fishy photos to finish ..A couple of group shots of the new Buenos Aires Tetras.

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Another

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A BN growing into a big boy

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Thats it for this week ..will be pondering Wings advice and what I have in mind for the tank ...so watch this space .. I may do something I've really not attempted yet and thats an Ingo style redo We will see ?????

Vale my Albino mate .


Garry

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All looks very nice as it is, but we will now have to impatiently await your makeover, if you do it.

Cheers
TW

Robyn ... Thanks for dropping by . As a teaser I decided to do a makover on the 60 g as a trail run for this tank .
The 60g had become very overgrown and had lots of different plants in the wrong places . So I decided to cut the number of plants . I also decide to use Wisteria as a foreground plant ...Lot of work to keep it trimmed I know ..but I've had so little success with foreground plants I decided to give it a go . If this fails I guess I'll fall back on low growing crypts .

So the plant list is Stargrass , Magenta , Annubias, Swords, Bacopa, Crypts Wendti & Balansae, Bacopa,Ludwigia and of course Wisteria.
Here are the results let me know what you think .

First photo is before the Makeover

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Full Tank after the Makeover

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Left side

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Right Side... Any thoughts on improvements or comments on plant placement etc.?????

I am about to do the this tank so I will wait to do that before I update the log .


Garry

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The fish in the 60G must think they've just moved into a much bigger home. These days I am more & more liking a tank that isn't too over crowded with plants. Don't get me wrong, I like stem plants & some bushy plantings areas within a tank, as long as there is also a feel of open swimming space eleswhere. So, I like your changes

I'm not very good at suggesting what plant looks better here or there, so will leave the advice on rescaping to others that pop in. Keen to see what you end up doing.

BTW, my 7ft tank is being delivered tomorrow. Yippee

Cheers
TW

Very nice countryfish!!! You did a great job of creating some depth!

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Hi Robyn .....

The fish in the 60G must think they've just moved into a much bigger home

Yep they seem to appreciate the swimming room .

These days I am more & more liking a tank that isn't too over crowded with plants

Yea I'm coming to the view that less is more as well .

Of course that will be until I find a fantastic new plant to try I've managed to not make any changes in a week ... Very Proud of myself We'll see how long it lasts .

Wings ... Yep that was the idea based on your advice actually ...So thanks for that .

I've done the 240g today ...big job took me about 9 hours ..I'm exhausted ..and not overly happy with the result ...but I think its a step in the right direction .

No Photos yet ...still waiting for the tank to clear ..so probably tomorrow night .

Robyn , Wings ...Thanks for your thoughts and for dropping by .


Garry

I've done the 240g today ...big job took me about 9 hours ..I'm exhausted ..and not overly happy with the result ...but I think its a step in the right direction .

That seems to be the problem with you guys with big tanks. If LF (wherever he may be) does a redo it takes all day too. I can generally do my 55G in a couple of hours when I really mess with things. That I (and the wife both) can live with. Don't get me wrong, as I would love to have a giant tank but I would have to go very simply slow growing plants in it.

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Wings .. I know what you mean ...my 60 g makeover took me only a couple of hours ... this tank is a lot of work ...but I knew that going in as I'd read all of Ingo's logs . I wasn't really complaining ..being retired means I have plenty of time and I just love it


Garry

Garry

Im sorry i havent been able to keep up with your tanks but they are looking great mate, keep up the good work. You and ingo are still my idols... LOL

Thanks for your input as always, Shane
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Update Week 46 & 47

Thanks Shane for dropping by and the nice words , fairly daunting being put in the same company as Ingo though .

Well I finally took the plunge and did the big makeover .
Basically everything except the small crypt field on the left of the river and the Poly Hygro around
the sponge filter was removed .
The Swords on the right were moved to the teraces on the left ...the Giant Hygro was moved to the extreme left and clumped
as a background to the jungle ...all large crypts were then put in front of the giant hygro to create a layered look ...next the
magenta & stellata were placed in front of the crypts ... was also supposed to be the Bacopa but there was a big gap
around the sponge filter at the left of the river so the bacopa went there instead .
The Annibias were next along with a few rocks for anchors ..(a lot of rocks were removed from the scape ) lastly the wisteria
was placed in the foreground on the right of the river .

Next the Bana Lily , my new Tiger Lily and the Lobelia cardinalis were placed on the left of the river towards the rear on the
same level as the small crypts .

The last piece of the puzzle was to make a feature our of the driftwood on the next tier up on the left side . This also features
the Java ferns .Also my two other pieces of Driftwood with the Bolbitis attached were then placed ( believe it or not the ferns are
sprouting finally after I thought they had died )

So thats about the size of it .
3 Things I'm not happy with , firstly I need something bigger behind the Swords on the left so I've ordered some Giant Val for
that area. Next I need another bunch plant for the jungle next to the stellata ...I've ordered some Hydrilla and Pink Baby Tears
and will see which one fits best and lastly I think the gap at the rear for the river is too wide so I've ordered some very large
Crypts Balansae to go with the one I have to drape thier large leaves into that area .

Enough Talk onto the photos , first the tank as it was before the makeover

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Full Tank after makeover

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Right Side

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Left side

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An Angle shot of the Full Tank

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River

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Jungle

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Closer shot of jungle foreground

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Annubias

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Driftwood Feature

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Wisteria Foreground

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Last Shot for this week is the Small Crypts which are in the same place but I've added a few more .

So the Giant Val will be in by the weekend and the other plants in a couple of weeks ..and that should be it for a while .

Let me know what you think ...any improvements or suggestions would be most welcome .


Garry

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I like what you've done. I don't know whether it's just my computer, but the last five of your photos aren't appearing for me I'll look again next time, in case I can see them then.

EDIT: Well, they have just appeared. I'll have a better look now

Cheers
TW

Garry,

you did a major trim! Looks nice as always but I have to say that I am still a fan of the overgrown 60G tank!

Robyn ...as always your encouragement is appreciated ...but critique is allowed as well... I'm always looking for input and ideas .

Thanks for your ongoing support .

Claudia ...Hi missed you mate ..where have you been ..never mind ..just good to have you back . been a little quiet without you . , Well the 60 g just had to change as it was chocking with plants ( never thought I'd say that ) so a total makeover after 2.5 years was not inappropriate I think . Anyway I'm happy with the result even though I'm about to add some new plants.

So when can we expect an update on your tanks ?

Garry

Hi Garry:

I expect to be able to do an update in about 3 weeks from now! It will take about two weeks to get all furniture to my new home, everything will go on a truck by Sunday, the fish will go Saturday into 'holding' with my favorite fish dealer (one of the very few things I will miss back East) who will FedEx after everything is ready again. Expect the first pictures of the new thread to show a totally empty tank. Hey, finally a chance to think about an aquascape instead of an underwater jungle

I will pop in before t osee how everybody else's tanks are doing - I missed FP but was too occupied with preparations and negotiations

Claudia

Once again, I think you did a really nice job creating depth. Most of the stem plant bunches look tighter too. I think most of that comes from repeated trimmings. I really haven't had the guts to completely hack my rotala. Maybe this weekend or next.

Overall I think things look good. Have you always had the black angles?

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Update Week 48

Have you always had the black angles?

Wings ...Yes I had a couple for a while now and had some smaller ones in the 60g ...they are now in this tank . I have 12 Angels allup... 4 Black , 4 Gold , 4 Silver .

So the Val was added and the other plants have arrived but as yet not added to the tank no other changes .

Full Tank last week

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Full Tank This week

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Right Side

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Left Side

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River

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A shot of the Val behind the Swords ... was cut short so not really showing much yet

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Another shot of that area showing the Driftwood which has been repositioned slightly

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I picked up a bit more Stellata to bulk up that plant a bit

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I finally got around to tying down all my Annubias in one area ...looks ok I think

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My poor little Tiger Lily ... Not sure if it will survive

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Lobelia cardinalis

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Bolbitis sprouting some new leaves

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Wisteria ...doing a good job so far as a foreground plant

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Thats it for the plants this week ...Since Wings mentioned my Black Angels ...I though I'd show a few shots of my Angel school ...First a couple of Blacks

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Another Black

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A small Silver

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A better shot of a Silver

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A gold Male

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A Gold Female

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A few Other fishys to finish ...One of my remaining 2 Ottos

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Last shot for the night is a Sterbai


Next week will see the other new plants added they will be Giant Ambulia on the Left rear of the river ...Some large Crypts Balansae on the right rear of the river .

Some Hydrillia and Pink Baby Tears in the jungle as well as some more small crypts in the left foreground of the river .

That should be it for a while .


Garry

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Once again you took some really nice pictures. I seems that things are filling in pretty nice. Give the anubias some time and it will fill in. It seems to grow painfully slow unless you are pumping with light, CO2, and fertilizers. Even then it's not that fast of a grower.

It has taken almost a year for my anubias to fill in to how it is now from this.

To this...


I also think that adding more Stellata was a good move. Adding more crypts to the crypt area will look nice too.

So the black angles were in the 60G before and you just added them. In the Full Tank Shot from last week, was that one of your BN in the river area?

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Update Week 49 , 50 & 51

Have been away again , this time playing golf on the Sunshine coast ...great weather lousy golf .. well me anyway ..being the bunny again .

So the new plants arrived before I went away and were hastely planted . Sharky objected to the placement of a few but most were still planted when we got home .

After replanting the ones that had been uprooted I ended up addding Giant Ambulia to the left rear of the River ...small Crypts to the left front of the river ... Hydrilla and Pink baby tears to the jungle next to the Stellata... and a bunch of Crypts Balansae to the right rear of the river .

Thats about it for the moment ..not much else has changed ...still not entirley happy with the rear of the river ..will see if the Ambulia and Balansae close it down a bit .. but the gap is still too wide IMO ..so I may have to rethink that area .

On to the photos ... Wings to answer your questions .. I had 2 of the Black Angels growing up from very small in the 60g and I bought 2 more large ones . The fish in the river is a CAE which also came out of the 60g ...I'd forgotten about him and George ( the Cuckoo Catfish ) they wre very good at hiding and when I did the makeover of the 60g I was amazes at how they had both grown ( probably on a diet of Cardinals so I moved them to this tank .

Full tank 3 weeks ago

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Full Tank this week

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Right side

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Left Side

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River

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A shot of the Jungle from an angle showing the new Balansae at the rear of the river

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Wisteria doing nicely as a foreground plant

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Jungle foreground

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Annubias

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Giant Ambulia

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Small Crypts

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Driftwood , Swords ,Java Fern & Giant Val

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Hydrilla ...the Pink Baby tears are too small too see as yet ...hopefully they will grow to form a part of the second layer of the jungle along with the Hydrilla and stellata

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A few Fishy photos to finish ..A Golden Barb

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A BN

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The CAE which was about a 15ml when I got him 3 years ago and now measures 150ml .

Thats it for this week ... next week is the tanks birthday ...1 year old Probably be a very dull week however Can't see much happening this week .


Garry

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Garry,

Tank is looking good as always.

Is that Buenos Aires Tetras I see in some of those shots?

I got 6 of them for my tank not long ago (impulse buy) and while they seem to leave most of the established plants alone they do have a bit of a taste for tender new leaves.

I assume that they are not causing too much plant carnage in your tank or they would have been hastily removed

G_T

Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.

Countryfish,

I must say your plant groupings are looking much tighter and organized. I think once your slower growers (cryps and anubias) fill in it will look really nice. A little color would be a nice touch if you can get your hands on something you like.

Now it is my understanding that you are not using any Co2 other than the fish and excel. Is that true? If so it looks like your plants are doing very well.

Look forward to seeing more. Be on the look out for a photo update of my tank sometime this weekend.

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i have a nit-picky ocrrection for you:
The barb in your tanks is not a "Golden Barb,"
but is actually another species called the
"Gold Barb." If you look int he profiles you
will see the distinct difference.

Golden Barb:
http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/481.htm
Gold Barb:
http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/300.htm

As you can see there are very distinct
differences. On a Positive note, your
tank is growing and becoming more beautiful
every day (well at least every update ).
And I agree that once the crpts and anubias
fill in the tank will look completly
stunning.

Keep up the great work!
-Brandon

(PS this is a common misconception for
even some mebers on FP, so it will be
forgiven . Even many other forum
confuse the two due to their ever so
similar common naming. I discovered
the difference when searching and
apprising my self of their nature prior
to purchasing them. You have a GOLD BARB,
and golden barbs are less common and rarely
seen thus many LFS and etc mismark the names
to either spur buyers based on rarity, or
they themselves are mistaken on the names.)

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