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ohh, didnt really think about that ay

Well I bought some plants today while I was at work, and the proper tubing for the fogger setup. I'm a bit worried that the java moss and fern I bought won't stay moist enough, without the lid being fully constructed and the auto fogger running, but I'm hoping the misting will be enough. I'll mist a few times a day.

The moss I found at letchworth appears to be a moss that needs a dormant period, because almost all mosses this far north do. So I'm just going to use the java moss as a ground cover. I still need to get a few anubias and then some epiphytes for the drier areas of the tank.

It's starting to look a little bit alive at least.

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It's starting to look a little bit alive at least

Well, I would agree, if I would have a chance to see it

Sorry to hear that your initial moss attempt may not work. What exactly does that mean, the moss becomes dormant? As in - it stopps growing? Or - I turns brown and most of it dies off?

Ingo

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Yeah, it has to have a cold period where it stops growing and whatnot or else it will die back completely. I guess there are only a couple types of moss that really do well for an extended period of time. One happens to be java moss, so that's pretty easy for me.

Sorry, I forgot to say I'd get some pics in a day or two.

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Sorry, I forgot to say I'd get some pics in a day or two.

That's giving the people what they want!

Good luck with the continuing set-up, looking forward to the pics

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Well my day or two is up....Here's the FTS of the tank with some java moss, and a few small java ferns. Like I aid, it's only a start. They've been doing well so far, they haven't been getting too dry IMO during the day, so I think it will be fine until I can get the hood righ and the fogger going.



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Would it be posible to grow riccia in there?


So far it looks pretty neat. Will the Java Fern or Moss change forms from growing exposed?



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I bet riccia would grow in there wings, there would probably be enough light if it wasn't in the water or right at the surface. I think I have about 30w pc light on there.

I'm not sure if java moss and java fern have different growth patterns emersed. It will be interesting to see though. I'll be able to toss in some tenellus and pearl grass soon, and that will be fun to see change shapes.

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If by pearl grass you mean h. micranthemoides then definately go for it. It's emersed shape is awesome... more what it looks like when it first arrives at the fish hole.

Yep, h. micranthemoides. It probably does come to the fish hole in the emersed form. Most plant farms grow the more difficult plants emersed if they can. I'll probably trim out more than the viv can handle here in a few days.

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Yesterday I got the hood all setup and the fogger is ready to go. I have a few pics:

Here is the hood. The left side is straight up siliconed to the plastic tank rim. The right side is siliconed to the tape that I put down, which will be removed and the silicone will act as a gasket essentially sealing off the tank. That is so the food doesn't escape.


I drilled a hole here for the fogger input into the tank. It has to be kind of removable so that I can lift the hood and put in food or hand mist the tank.


Here you can see the humidifier with the pvc attached and the hose leading up to the tank.


Here's the tank with the lights up on it, and what it will normally look like. It will probably always be wet around the glass like that, I wasn't able to get in there and wipe it down due to the silicone setting. I'm going to buy a magfloat to use as a windsheild wiper. Some silicone modification to that may actually act like a wiper blade and instead of smearing the water all over the place it might actually bead it off. That's what I'm hoping anyways. On to the pic:

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Wow that looks really great nice job. By the way after a few generations a genetically modified wingless fruit fly culture will begin to grow wings.

Thanks Ethan, I haven't heard that about the FFs from other dendro keepers. Anybody confirm/deny.....Nate maybe?

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Wow, what a good job you are doing. Lucky you are DIY, I wouldn't have a clue.

Cheers
TW

I have heard that at a few different boards but I looked it up to confirm it and I have found conflicting information Some websites are saying that under certain conditions and temperatures they will begin growing wings again. Other websites say that the gene is recessive and sometimes spontaneous mutations will occur which promote wing growth. Maybe both can happen.

http://www.algone.com/fruit_flies.php
http://fins.actwin.com/live-foods/month.9708/msg00035.html

That was helpful, ethan, thanks. In my college genetics class we've been learning about mutations, and if the trait is indeed recessive, then it would be true that the same mutation that caused the winglessness would have to occur again to grow flies with wings from a wingless batch. The chances are 1 in hundreds of thousands, if not millions of a reversion in that gene under normal conditions.

I know there have to be different strains of FFs and even different strains of wingless FFs, and it's possible that the wing's developmental gene may be tied to the heat shock enhancer, which would basically "turn on" the wings developmentally if the FF was to mature at high temps.

This is similar to glow danios that you see. The GFP (green flourescent protein) coding region can be tied to any number of enhancers. Attaching the GFP region to the heat shock enhancer would make a danio that only glows when it's over a certain temp...say 40*C. The ones you see in the hobby have thier GFP coding regions attached to a constitutive enhancer - one that is always on.

My guess would be that most of the FFs for the hobby have a true mutation in the coding region for the wings, and would take a reversion mutation to correct the situation, and that wouldn't necessarily mean that offspring would have wings.

It's possible though, that somebody got their batch of FFs from a lab or somesuch where the winglessness was a condition of temperature like the above example with the GFP danios. Somebody who didn't know thier genetics would surely wonder why thier FFs have started growing wings.

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Matty,

For some reason I don't think you will need to hand mist anything in that tank! I was kind of wondering what would happen when you got that thing sealed off and my thoughts proved true. Good luck with the windsheld wipers!

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Hi,
If by "Nate" you are talking about DRO, he is in Orlando
FL on vacation, but is checking "his" forums on occassion.
You could PM him or drop a note for him in the Premium
Members forum, specifically, the "What are you doing right
now" thread.

Frank


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No I meant Nate...nellis that drops in the plant section infrequently. I used to work with him for a while and is starting his own viv. He's been doing some of the same research as me and I was wondering what he came up with in response to the FFs starting to fly around again. I'm not sure DRO would even know what I am talking about...but maybe.

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Looking nice Matty,

Although it is hard now to see anything inside the viv

Isn't there some stuff that can be put on glass to avoid the fogging up?

Ingo

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I usuall don't do much in the way of planted forum posts, but I must say, despite the fact that you can't see ****, that is one of the most attractive (I'm sure even moreso in future years) tanks I've seen in a long, long time.

maybe a mini magnet? the mag-float are fitted with a velcro like material so that won't give you a good wiper but some of the cheaper ones are fitted with felt, and that will be a nice wiper.

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I'm the classic newb. I went out and bought the smallest tank and a fish at the same time. Now I'm kicking myself wondering how could I have been so stupid. But I'm hooked.

What you need is an anti fog solution like what they use on masks when you scuba dive. the only problem is trying to find one that is frog safe.....just an idea

-Vincent

I usuall don't do much in the way of planted forum posts, but I must say, despite the fact that you can't see ****, that is one of the most attractive (I'm sure even moreso in future years) tanks I've seen in a long, long time.

Thanks for such a nice comment Cup, and thanks for popping into the plant forums

To the others, I'm stuck with a physical wimping of the glass, as I'm pretty positive that most of those anti fog solutions would be a bad idea. I forgot to grab one of the magnets at work, but I'll try to remember this week.

I also tossed in some of the plants from my 50g tank into the viv, including some glosso, h. micranthemoides, and l. glandulosa. I'm really hoping the glandulosa will take to life in the viv, it's just such a beautiful plant.

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I'm really hoping the glandulosa will take to life in the viv

Wouldn't that mean that it reverts back to its emersed growth patter, like much more green and stuff.

Sure, go ahead and keep all these plants in there as I am, just like you, very courious on how they will turn out.

Ingo

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Matty,

The viv is coming along nicely. I took my son to the Houston zoo the other day and they had some of the poison dart frogs in a real nice viv. I though of this tank when I saw it. I wish I had my camera. Since we are zoo members I'll snap a picture next time we go.

It was funny to since I hadn't been to the zoo in awhile. So much of what was in there FW aquariums I can get at the LFS

Rick
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Hello,

Your viv looks so cool! I have a 15 gallon tall viv, but it doesnt even compare to yours. My viv houses a whites dumpy treefrog. Maybe you could also try a small variety of treefrog such as Hyla cinerea. Or you could go with a ground roaming frog such as tomato frog, or oriental fire-bellied toad. I do like the idea of the dart frogs. They are very nice!

Hi,

Thanks guys, I'm definitely set on dart frogs. Nothing else really houses well with them, especially in a 10g tank, unfortunately.

This as well as everything else is on hold for now. Soon I'll be done with finals and I can get some work done on my tanks.

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OK, pulling this one up from the basement. Here's a little update with the plants, I still haven't gotten frog(s), but that should happen this month, possibly the 14th. On to the pictures:

Full tank shot, I got it with a little of the fog still rolling in from the humidifier:


Waterfall:


Waterfall Closeup:


1 group of HM:


Centered on the java moss area:


Hopefully I'll be updating with frog pictures soon!

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very nice, matty

any plans on planting along the back wall, or are you done with the plants?

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I think you should put a small anubais in the left side of the tank to balance it out a little.

-Vincent

I'm not done with plants yet, but I'm kind of unsure what I can use. That's something else that I'll try and figure out at the local club meeting on the 14th. I'm hoping I can use some epiphytes that will root themselves in, or something like that.

Anubias is something I've thought of Bud, maybe some coffeefolia or something like that.

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Matty that is really cool. It almost has a museum like quality to it. I really like the java moss area shot.





My Scapes

Wow, the moss looks really great, and waterfall looks like it's working nicely. are you still looking for small bromelaids that will work in there? The back is looking a bit bare. Such a great job on a deceptively small tank!

Hoping that there must be a word for everything I mean...

Thanks illustrae, tetratech.

Yep, I'm still pondering all plant options, including bromiliads. I just haven't done my research and am feeling lazy about it. I'll probably just ask the guys at the meeting what would do well and go from there.

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Looking really good Matt. So the countdown is on and we only have to wait till the 14th for frogs. Yippee.

Cheers
TW

Well Matty, the 14th has come & gone & still we see no frogs?

Do you have them yet?

Cheers
TW

The breeder that I went to had some leucomelas, but were about 2 weeks shy of being able to be sold. So I'll get them when they are ready. When I saw them on sunday, they were about the size of my index fingernail. I got a picture I'll put up later.

I did however get my digital hygrometer/thermometer. It's really cool and reaffirms my thoughts that my viv was in the right temp and humidity zone.

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ok, so we have to wait just a little longer, though it will be good to see the pic that you have already. They sound so tiny. I bet they're cute.

Cheers
TW

Can't wait to see the frogs matty

Man has it been slow around here...

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Here's the pic, the leaf is about 5 inches top to bottom....they are just little guys.

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Looking good Matt. The HM is looks awesome emersed, probably my favorite form of any aquatic plant. I also have some growing in my viv. The leucs will be great, I've heard they're real gregarious. Maybe you shold try riccia, throw a few sprigs here and there to add diversity to your lawn.

Hey Nate, good to see ya around. How's your viv coming? I haven't seen you post any updates in quite some time.

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Very cute frogs

Are these the actual guys you're getting - and they're just with the breeder a little longer to grow some more?

Cheers
TW

Yep, I'm going to be getting one of the three in that pic. I'm only going to get one frog, it will be easier and cheaper both initially and long term. From talking to the breeder it seems that keeping one frog makes the whole feeding thing tons easier. One won't become dominant and eat all the food before the other gets it.

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I don't update because I can't post pictures : (

My viv's looking great. My GF got me some miniature orchids from Menne's while she was in town. Getting frogs soon hopefully, still haven't gotten any fruit fly cultures going.

Keep up the good work though. I enjoy seeing your updates.

Well the day has finally come. Things fell into place pretty well with the viv getting time to settle in, FF cultures producing nicely, and finally getting the frog into the viv today. The 10g tank almost seems too big for him, though that will change I'm sure.

Here's the little guy in his travel cup, the dime's for size:


Here he is getting to know the driftwood:


Enjoy!

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Wow, I did't realize how small they are. This tank is going to be great for him. He looks sharp. Will he hunt and eat the FF live or do you prepare them?

Rick
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A little bit of both, Rick. The FFs need to be live, so they are cultured and raised, then I take some out, dust them with multivitamins and put them in the tank. He'll then hunt them. I just fed him, but he doesn't seem too interested right now.

They won't stay that small for long, but this particular species only gets about an inch long. So it will maybe double or triple in size.

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Really cool!!!

I love his color! Does he go in the water? So you have no other plans for other inhabitants of this viv? I really like this thread and I will keep looking into this one. Great job and good luck with the frog! Let us know how he is...I might like to get one someday.

Well he did end up eating today, now he's got a fat belly.

Thanks platypunk -
Darts aren't really a water frog, but that doesn't mean you won't find them in there sometimes.

The tank isn't really big enough for any more leucs(the sp. I have) at adult size IMO. It's not great to mix species of darts, and there aren't a lot of other animals that do well with darts, at least that I'm aware of. Maybe day geckos or something, but I think they eat crickets, and I don't do crickets. Nasty buggers.

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That's the cutest dart I've ever seen. You didn't happen to get these from Brian, did you?

Thanks Cup, and no, I don't know who Brian is. I got them from a local breeder, Aaron of Aaron's Frog Farm in Akron NY. He knows his stuff and is breeding all sorts of darts. Good guy.

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Does he have a website or anything Matty?

http://www.aaronsfrogfarm.com/

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wow, he is very cute Matty. Good job.

Cheers
TW

Nice little frog Matt! How big is it going to get?

Any updated pics of the whole tank?

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He'll get between an inch and an inch and a half.

I'll try to get a full tank shot, but it hasn't changed much.

I did get a couple clippings from Aaron while I was there. here they are and a couple more frog pics:

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Amazing, Matty!

The tank looks awesome, the frog looks awesome, and it's been great reading along as this project has developed.

Hoping that there must be a word for everything I mean...

Very nice matty

Glad to see things have come along perfectly. He looks pretty awesome!

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Thanks guys.

Here's the best pic I have gotten of him so far:

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Thats a really cool picture matty.
What area does that species come from, like central or south america?

-Vincent

They're found in venezuela and into the surrounding countries a bit.

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Great Frogster Matty

And great photos as well.

Sorry I haven't added any comment in a while, but you know I was busy.

Looking really cool, maybe I should remove some water from my tanks and make it something like you have going there

Ingo

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Thanks LF. I think right now, you'd appreciate how little work this takes. No water changes, no fert schedule. All I do is feed once a day and make another fruit fly culture once a week. I'm afraid to say that this might be easy, especially compared to my reef tank.

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My concern would be the fruit fly culture. I don't think I am ready for breeding something that could be found later eating my food and such

I doubt the wife would appreciate it.

I guess I will have to take a look at the dark side forum to see what is going on with that tank, although my input is usually limited to ooooh and aaaah, LOL.

Ingo

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Don't worry, I haven't updayed it in some time. There's no activity over there. I go to another forum for saltwater related stuff.

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Matty nice job. That looks really great and nice shot of the dart. I'll have to live voraciously through your setup since the wife would never let me set one up.

My Scapes

Thanks tetratech, you can live vicariously off my leuc all you like. Here's some more shots, one a full tank shot.

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Matt:
Very nice. I'm impressed. I actually committed myself to a pair of yellow imitators which I'll be picking up this weekend. Did that aluminum plant come from the FRI**IN MASSIVE one they have in the greenhouse at TFP? That would be a good source for trimmmings...

That tank screams anubias... petite nana or coffeolia.

Thanks Nate, the two newer plants came from the breeder in Akron. He just clipped some out of his vivs. Nice guy. I haven't, but should, ask the management for some clippings of some of that stuff.

I do have some petite nana in my 50 now. I'm growing it up now. The two bunches came in at the size of a quarter, and have almost doubled in a month. They seem to put out leaves faster than other anubias.

Do you or anyone else know if I have to keep the roots or rhizome submergedon the anubias?

Good luck with your imi's Can't wait for some pics.

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Do you or anyone else know if I have to keep the roots or rhizome submergedon the anubias?

I have no idea about that Matty, sorry. I would think that the roots should be sufficient, although some very moist soil should be enough as well (just a guess though).

Nice pictures of frog and tank, what is the white stuff to the right of the frog though? Food?

Ingo

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It's actually dead moss. The calcium and multivitamin powder that I "dust" his flies with burn the heck out of moss I found out, and he's sitting on his "dinner plate" if you will, where I always dump the flies so as little of the dust comes in contact with the moss as possible.

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Little update here since Frank said so

I recently got a new plant in. It's called resurrection fern because it can seemingly come back from the dead. I thought this would be a good plant for me. Actually it's great as the largest it gets is about 4-5" and it's also a very humid environment plant. Plus, ferns are shweet and I needed more plants.

So that's all I've added to the tank, other than that the plants, and frog continue to grow nicely. Here's some pics:

FTS first:


The resurrection fern:


My veriagated plant that I still don't know what it is:


And a couple shots of the frog:



In the second you will notice why they call them green toed bumblebee frogs.

K bye

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Nice Matty,

Although I have to say that I begin to doubt that the frog is real. He is always very shiny and sits in the same position.
I am sure you have a plastic frog in there and you just move him around to take the pictures of him.



Looking very nice. A fern that comes back from the dead should be hard to eliminate once one has enough of it. What do you think?

Ingo

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That's his dinner plate, so no wonder he's always hanging around there. I knew I should have taken a picture of hime climbing the glass. That would put an end to all the naysaying

The resurrection fern is named so because it can deal with short periods of drought by "packing up camp" kind of rolling up all shrivelled and turning brown and what not. Once it gets water again it rolls out and turns green and goes back to work. So it looks like it can be revived from death. It is pretty sturdy too, but I think slow growing. Time will tell on that though. Hopefully it's not too invasive.

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Hi Matt,
I'm amazed at how well the tank is maturing. It's really
nice. BTW... When is the other half of the couple arriving?


Frank


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Thanks Frank!

I'm not sure which half I already have. I wouldn't know what to look for to be honest. I'm sure it will be some time before I'm ready for another.

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I love the overall feel of the tank. I know that seems weird but I could almost feel the damp, moist healthy conditions of the tank. That fern is a real beaut and the frog ain't bad either.

My Scapes

Very nice Matty. I know nothing of frogs & what not - but I believe you that he is not plastic. Really I do.

Cheers
TW

and the frog ain't bad either.

For a plastic one, right?

Thanks guys. Good to know someone thinks I'm not faking it . I think the fern is taking pretty well to the viv. Can't wait to see those new leaves roll out.

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Here ya go LF. Try tellin' me he's plastic now

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Awesome pictures, Matty!!! That's so cool!

I was a bit skeptical about keeping just the one frog, even though the tank isn't all that big, but the little guy is clearly pretty comfortable and active in the fantastic home you've provided. How do you feed him, I know you started some fly cultures, but how is that going?

Hoping that there must be a word for everything I mean...

IT'S ALIVE !!!



Very nice pictures, Matty. I think I would take shots of that little fellow all day long, he/she is for sure a very pretty frogster.

Interestingly, I had the same question in mind than illustrae, so how are the flies doing?

Ingo

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Well again I didn't figure you guys wanted to see the ugly end of the business. But the flies are really easy to keep and breed, and if you are careful, none get loose. The tank is sealed and I use a large funnel into a cup that traps the flies in the cup. They get "dusted" with nutritious powder as a big problem in captivity used to be calcium deficiencies, now isn't a problem anymore.

So I grabbed a couple pictures. Those grossed out by bugs probably won't enjoy this, but they are harmless and contained, so rest easy.

So here they are, the oldest on the left, and the newest on the right. I need to dump the one on the left and make a new one sometime soon. All of these are definitely unnecessary, as one batch is more than enough, but I've heard that "crashes" happen, and one should be prepared with extra flies. So I make one every week. It's cheap and easy, so I don't mind. Each batch maybe costs 25c or so at the very most. I'm not including the cost of the gatorade though I drink that anyways.





Oh, and yes he is most happy in the 10 gallon tank. I can't imagine him finding his food in anything larger as of now. In the future I might put him and another in a 20Long for life.

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Thanks Matty for the info, but:

" The tank is sealed and I use a large funnel into a cup that traps the flies in the cup." --- I don't get that part

How do the flies get into the tank if the latter is sealed? Do you break the seal? and what's up with the cup? Does the frog eat them out of a cup? I would imagine they don't stay in that cup for too long.

Ingo

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Yeah I guess that doesn't make a lot of sense without more information. 2/3 of the lid is totally sealed off with silicone. The last third I sealed in silicone, and cut the lid loose from the tank with a razor, leaving the silicone mold on the lid. When in place it is essentially sealed, but I can lift the lid up to dump the flies out of my cup.


The funnel is just useful because it directs the flies into the cup, and while the funnel is on the cup, they can't climb the sides of the cup to get out. Once The flies are dusted and I have arrived at the tank, I lift the lid and dump the flies onto his "dinner plate" the little rock in the middle of the moss where he likes to wait patiently for me to deliver his dinner. Most of the dust lands on the dinner plate and not on the plants, which it would burn. I would guess the high mineral content has a high pH or something.....I'm not sure on that, but the plants don't like it.

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Very interesting Matty

In the future I might put him and another in a 20Long for life.

Is that because he will get a lot bigger? How big is he at full maturity. Plus I forget - how old is he now?

Cheers
TW

He will probably still double or less in size. I'd say he's about nickel size up from dime size when I purchased him. I've had him maybe 2 months and he was about a month out of the water when I got him. Still a baby. Plus I wouldn't put two in a 10G tank. Some do and it would be seen as acceptable, but I would personally want to give them a bit more room.

EDIT: Thinking about it, what would an aussie be doing with a nickel? So when I got him he was about 1cm or so, maybe now he's about 1.5ish cm or slightly more. He could eventually get to 3-4 cm I would guess.

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I saw an interesting little plant hitchiker today, everyone has seen these guys before I'm sure:



It must have come in on the fern, maybe there's a couple more and could be a free food source for the frog....who knows.

And I got one of the frog...he was standing really weirdly, not sitting with his bum on the ground like normal, dunno what that was about, but I took a pic:

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everyone has seen these guys before I'm sure

Is it a louse? I have no idea

Nice shot of the frog, maybe the surface is too scratchy for his sensitive bum. Or he has a rash

Ingo

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It's a rolie-polie, pill bug, or more technically I think it's a terrestrial isopod. Turn up any stone or hunk of wood in the forest and you'll find them.

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Ah, a rolie-polie - I would have never guessed as I somehow assumed that the critter in the shot is more or less see-through, only now do I notice that this must be from the light reflection. These guys are a dull gray, right?

Anyway, it is an awesome close-up. What camera and lens was that?

Ingo

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Thanks LF.

Yep they are a dull grey, sometimes brownish for whatever reason. I took it with my A710 IS. No special lens. Same as all my other shots. Pretty good for a $250 P&S huh?

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients

So, will froggy eat the rolie-polie, pill bug

Cheers
TW

I doubt it would even thinkabout eating the adults, but maybe little ones or larval isopods. I remember him sitting over in the area with the fern for a few days after putting it in the tank. Maybe he was hunting

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Critical Fertilator: The Micromanager of Macronutrients