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Ingo, I'm glad you like the wood. I did start out looking for a piece of driftwood with branches that reached up into the upper water levels. I've never seen one here (other than a couple of pieces that were whiter shade & that wouldn't suit this tank. I think it needs dark wood & red rocks, to contrast against the brightness of the green.

When I looked at the full shot, I got the idea that a low planted area immediately to the right of the wood (I think the Blyxa is there) all the way to the back of the tank could look very nice. You know, a separation alley right in the area of the 1.6. to 1 break-up rule?

I like that idea, but may have to vary it slightly.

Firstly, what would my choices for the low plants be & I'd like to keep my red rocks for the colour contrast. I have an anubia tied onto the biggest rock in the group (that's the one that I got cheap & asked for the advice of excel on the leaves. Its' still not so great, but I think is improving). If the Blyxa works out, it could be my low plant & I'd just get more. Or else just more of the creeping wisteria? Where would my java fern go?

The problem I see with it being low all the way o the back wall is that my C02 reactor is there, as is the water return pipe. Therefore, would it work if I bunch the jave fern in the back & have the low section in front.

Not sure if my skills are up to scaping it so that the "tall" areas gradually blend into the "low" areas. But it is interesting & I'll think how I could manage it. I will wait longer to see how my Blyxa goes. I think it is going slightly brown, so maybe it will die soon.

Here's a full shot, showing the slightly altered right front corner.

It is puzzling where fish go somewhere when they die. I am convinced that I only have 3 otos out of 5 in this tank, yet during the practically total replant (only thing that didn't come out was the creeping wisteria in the front) and no dead bodies were to be seen. Poor otos.

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TW,

Your tank is looking quite nice! The new chunk of DW is much like the "thing" I used to have in my tank. Thus you probably know that I like it.

As for your scape. Just running with what LF started. Maybe run a wider angle from the front of the glass to the center point of your rocks. Then add in a low running forground plant like glosso or aquatice clover. The clover might be nice because it is a darker color.

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Thanks Wings.

I'm sorry to hear that someone might think my wood is a "thing" But seriously, I really love this piece of wood & the plant on it. Is this http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_viewer.php?id=221the plant you mean. It looks quite difficult to plant. I'm still quite keen to see if the Blyxa will work, it's still hanging in there. Not any browner than a couple of days ago, with plenty that is still nice & green.

Ingo, sorry to show ignorance, but I don't know quite what you mean by the 1.6. to 1 break-up rule. But anyway, I'm still a few weeks away from trying this plan out.

In another thread[link] http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/threads/29824.1.htm?7#[/link]I ask about some fish deaths in this tank & I think it's because I have a large swing in pH between lights on & lights off. pH in the morning before lights go on can be up to 7.8pH, while I was aiming for it to be 6.7pH when C02 was running. Do any of you have such high pH swings?

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TW

Robyn,

I don't have much time right now, so just a few pointers:

- Otos are good hiders, even during replants. I once took all but one plant out of my 125 and found only 4 of 6 Otos, but they all were there later.
- If they dies unnoticed, other fish will have eaten the remains (not much on an Oto) and the rest decomposed. The bones are too tiny to find later on.
- An old Chinese rule derived of research is that visual harmony is generated when focal points are off center, and in particular when proportions leading to the focal point are split to a 1 and a 1.6 portion. Meaning, in terms of tanks, take the tank lenght and divide it by 2.6 (example: 26" tank length / 2.6 - 10" ) and then take that number from either side of the tank (left or right, in your case you would come in from the right). That point is where the focus should be, and leaves you with 1.6 (esample is 16" ) on the other side.
- That is a steep ph swing, but not a reason to die. What is your KH?
- Making the area where the Blyxa is an open spot would mean to plant foreground plants all the way to the back and nothing high behind it. That generates a visual divide between the bigger group on the left and a smaller group on the right.
- Don't worry, your "thing" is by far not as bit as Wings' was. He had a huge chunk of driftwood in his 40G

Gotta run to work again,

Ingo

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Now LF... I got a good deal on the thing! 20 bucks from a LFS in Chicago. It was and still is a pretty neat chunk of wood. I just need a bigger tank for it!

Make note of where this plant comes from. Maybe you should just go find it!
http://www.tropica.com/default.asp

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Sorry I kinda loss track of this thread.

The tank has come on really well since you started.You've done a very good job.

For a foreground you could try hairgrass, not too difficult or too much work.

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Hi Ingo

That is a steep pH swing, but not a reason to die. What is your KH?

There must be something in this tank (what???) that alters my kH. You might remember way back we talked about my tap being around 2 or 3kH, but this tank tests 5kH. It is still testing 5kH. If not the pH swing, I don't know what else. Ammonia, Nitrite & Nitrate are all fine.

open spot would mean to plant foreground plants all the way to the back and nothing high behind it

This would mean you'd see my C02 reactor & I'm not sure I'd like that. Otherwise, it sounds good.

Thanks Wings on the plant link. Looks fiddly to plant, but if I can find it, I'll try it.

Bensaf, thanks so much for the compliment, means a lot. Most of the plants I originally had on that first plant, are long since dead. The only originals in there are the Java Fern & Blue Stricta (also called Temple).

Re Hair Grass, is this the plant you mean? http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_search.php?search=hairgrass For lighting, I have only 1.63WPG. Is that enough?

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Eleocharis acicularis - Hair Grass I would think that your light is too low for it, but you could alway only get one small pot and see how it goes. Before you add it to the tank though, let's talk about how to plant them.

Yeah, I guess an exposed reactor would not be the prettiest sight, but maybe the reactor could go somehwere else.

That KH thing is a miracle to me, maybe Bensaf has an idea

On the other hand, the higher the KH is the less of a ph swing should you experience, very strange.

Ingo

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Robyn,
I agree with Ingo about the hairgrass. I had it in my tank for about 5 months or so and although it did spread it become very high maintenance with all kinds of gunk getting caught in it. I was growing it with 2.7wpg and I don't think it was enough.

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That KH thing is a miracle to me, maybe Bensaf has an idea

Something could be leeching carbonates - rocks, substrate ?

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I guess an exposed reactor would not be the prettiest sight, but maybe the reactor could go somewhere else

Ingo, do you remember way back I showed all those pics of how my C02 is set up. The C02 tubing enters the tank through the water inlet pipe, with the inlet pipe then helping to push the C02 around. My filter is one of those built in wet/dry filters & there is no option to move it around anywhere, so I'm sort of stuck with the reactor there.

Thanks Bensaf, Ingo & Tetra for the advice about the hairgrass, maybe I should wait to try that in the 4ft tank.

I guess something must be leaching into the tank - but I don't know what. KH of 5 isn't bad though, is it? I can just leave it be, can't I?

For comparison, before the water change, here is a shot of the tank.



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There has been almost no growth since last week - not sure why. I moved the wood over, ever so slightly, towards the left - but you can't tell much. Wood now slightly in front of the rock. I was trying to get it more off centre. Reluctant to move rock out of the tank, so for the moment, the wood can't move over any further.

I don't like the right hand side, so I'll have to think about what I'm going to do there. How to blend the low plants with the high plants at the rear (still don't want my reactor showing). If I swap the high & low sides over, I still have the same problem - cause then there's the intake pipe to worry about.

EDIT: Can't help to comment on your cute new Avatar Bensaf. Is this your baby?

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Robyn,

A KH of 5 is fine nothing to worry about at all.

For the right back corner maybe some tall and grassy - Blyxa Aubertii would be real nice if you could get it.

No not my baby, unfortunately. That my beloved niece, whom I've pratically adopted and am seriously comtemplating kidnapping and fleeing the country.

That's her monyol face Monyol is Indonesian for pout or pursing the lips. Everytime you say that word she makes that face. Only 9 months old and sharp as a whip. Unfortunately her favorite hobby is trying to pull the plants out of my desktop tank

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Ohhhh, how can you resist a monyol face . Too cute.

Hmmm, Blyxa Aubertii, I'll ask around. We don't have great range of plants here, but as I know I can get Blyxa japonica (spelling? it might be possible).

I think my Blyxa japonica may be dying though. I haven't fully given up yet. Below is a pic. It still has green, but I think there's more brown bits now.

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The anubia behind it seems to be getting better. Ingo, do you remember the anubia I got cheap, but was in bad condition re: algae & I asked about the excel treatment. Some of the leaves are still damaged, but between the otos & the excel, it seems to be very much on the mend from what it was.

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This is from one of my other tanks, but does anyone know what the sword might be. In another thread, LF thought it might be Echinodorus Uruguayensis. It doesn't really match the picture on tropica of that plant. This looks tighter & more compact, but that might be because mine is still small. Maybe as it grows, it will look more like it.

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That my beloved niece, whom I've pratically adopted and am seriously comtemplating kidnapping and fleeing the country.

Very cute, but be careful kids and planted aquaria don't mix. I made the mistake of leaving my magnetic scraper on my tank one day and when I came home 2 of my son's friends where playing some game. Let's just say it included my magnetic scraper and a couple of fish.

Robyn,
Don't give up on the Blyxa. For me anyway it took a while for it too start establishing itself. I have a feeling if conditions aren't perfect but good enough it does that.
I would try to remove those dead leaves though without uprooting it.

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Off with the dead leaves of the Blyxa, Robyn Don't give up on it yet, it may just be treading water right now.

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TT:

Don't give up on the Blyxa. For me anyway it took a while for it too start establishing itself. I have a feeling if conditions aren't perfect but good enough it does that. I would try to remove those dead leaves though without uprooting it.

Nowher:

Off with the dead leaves of the Blyxa, Robyn Don't give up on it yet, it may just be treading water right now.

Are you mocking me boy

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Only slightly, only slightly...

Actually not at all. The use of similar language was unintended, but I did want to echo your point because I agree with you. it may still be settling in, or it may not like where it is in terms of light etc. As you said, conditions may not be just right for it - a move or a change in something may be needed, but it's too soon to give up on it.

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Robyn,

Don't give up on the Blyxa Japonica just yet



Seriously - are the leaves dying or just brown? Blyxa in lots of light have brownish leaves and not green ones (like tetratech and mine).

I am glad that otherwise your plants are doing well

Ingo

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Well, I think that the amount of leaves that are brown are greater than was the case a few weeks back, but there are still a lot that are green. It's in the best position for light. The worst areas are the front & back of the tank, where lighting is restricted & that's why I placed it not all the way at the front. The wisteria or maybe nano petite will have to do for the very front. If it works, I want to pack quite a few in that area, spaced out between more of the redish rocks, so that you just get a glimpse of the rocks. I have another rock - just have to smash it up on the weekend. I'll try not to make any dents in the paving when I do it

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And fools seldom differ......

Robyn,

The sword is E.Parviflorus "Tropica". It's a very small sword, definately a foreground plant, won't get much bigger then that. It's very easy and does well in low light, just stays smaller. In perfect conditions and lot's of light it won't get much more then 6" tall.

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Thanks Bensaf, that's good news about sword size. It may not even reach 6" then, as it's not in perfect conditions. It's in my 23.7G non C02 tank, which also has low lights. I want it to stay a foreground plant, so perfect. I think I'll get more for that tank.

Thanks for the ID.

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Not being happy with the tank, I moved things around very slightly tonight - but sill unhappy with the look.

I took out the rock on the far right hand side, which meant the wood could move over (to make the focal point more off centre). Then I bunched the java fern more tightly underneath the water return pipe & right in front of the C02 reactor.

I then added some hygro behind the wood, but it's effect is largely not seen. Hopefully, will be more effective when it grows taller. Planted some more wisteria, in the creeping style, on the right hand side of the tank. Tried to trim the brown leaves off the Blyxa, but once the lights were back on, I can see I didn't do a good job there.

Here's a pic taken after the minor changes - but they're not that obvious.

What don't I like - I think it needs more blue stricta (temple plant) on the left hand side, behind the low wisteria. The hygro needs to grow taller & the right hand side just looks a mess. Despite this, I still like it better than yesterday's picture (ever so slightly).

Is it the rocks - I'm not sure the rocks look right, even though I wanted them for their red colour? Would a small, but branchy dark piece of wood make that side look better?

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Not being happy with the tank at the moment, I'm still playing around with the right hand side. I added another piece of driftwood. For the time being I made do with the plants in the tank & took an anubia that was on a rock & tied to this wood instead. Some moss was tied on as well. When I can get some more anubia, I'll probably swap it for the moss.

To put the wood in, I had to remove most of the plants on the right hand side & I found that my Blyxa had reproduced (or whatever you say for plants). So I now have 2, and I only bought the one plant.

I bought some more blue stricta and it's in the tank, but I find it doesn't match the older blue stricta - it's leaves are different - they are much broader.

The red rocks are gone. Wanted them for colour contrast, but they didn't seem to relate to anything. I've seen some black rocks with white (a little similar to Ingo's in his 40G breeder) - I might try them. They might blend in better with the black substrate ????

I'm happier with the right side now, but it's still not quite there.

I will keep the foreground there though, but until I really know how the Blyxa will go, I'll just play around with creeping wisteria for the time being.

I'm curious to know what anyone elses C02 swing is. As mentioned earlier, I thing mine is quite high, but I wonder what the norm is for any other C02 planted tanks out there.

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here's a shot of the right hand side

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last one for tonight

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Robyn,

The problem that you may have seems to be coming from simply having too much green of the same shade all over the tank. Your attempt to change that with the new wood is in the right direction, although this particular setup is not my favorite, these wood pieces seem a little forced in the area. How about a Bronze Wendtii (tip from Matty) in the spot where the branches are now?

Also, large leaves plants, like your blue stricta, have the tendency to make a tank look smaller than it really is. For example, replacing the fern with a narrow leaf fern would create a more delicate appearance.

Congrats on the Blyxa babie, your environment is good.

Overall, I wouldn't mess with the tank too often, otherwise you risk to unsettle everything (coming from the guy who does only 100% overhauls is rather ironic).

My ph swings probably from 6.5 to 7, I am not sure as I haven't really measured in the big tank in a while, and in the 40 I have not measured anything ever.

Hope this helps,

Ingo

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The problem that you may have seems to be coming from simply having too much green of the same shade all over the tank. Your attempt to change that with the new wood is in the right direction, although this particular setup is not my favorite, these wood pieces seem a little forced in the area. How about a Bronze Wendtii (tip from Matty) in the spot where the branches are now?

I concur. My views exactly.

BTW - I'm glad you removed the rocks around the Blyxa. You have a nice natural looking setup and the rocks didnt't do it justice.

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Hi Ingo & tetratech

I have tried these Bronze Wendtii a couple of times - they don't like me or my tanks & always melt. In one of the tanks, it may have been caused by being moved - the other 2 tanks - don't know, just didn't work. I wondered if the bronze versions needed more light, but I don't really know why they melt? Will get another when I can & give it another try.

Re: the broad leaves on the blue stricta. I have this plant in all my tanks ('cause my original plant reproduced enough that I've planted my other tanks with it). The original plant has quite narrow leaves & the new one I bought (under the same name, but from a different source) is definitely not the same plant. Much broader leaves & even a different colour. I'll get another of the thinner leaved version from my usual source & take this one out.

I miss my big red rock that previously was my dominant hardscape & I can't quite cope with the right hand side not having any hardscape in it. The wood may yet go, as you both suggest it should - but I'm not ready to give up on it yet, unless I can find a different, less forced piece to replace it. I agree it doesn't quite work, but I like that one of the tall upright pieces covers that pesky C02 reactor I don't want seen. I had thought to cover the uprights heavily with anubia nana - you don't think that will help? I know you don't like it, but is there any way you could think of that would help make it look less forced?

For example, replacing the fern with a narrow leaf fern would create a more delicate appearance.

Are you meaning that I should take out the java fern I have behind the wood & replace it with narrow leaf fern? Is it still a java fern - just a narrow leaf version or is it a completely different plant?

I'm pleased about the Blyxa, but wonder how on the one hand, it can have brown stems, but on the other hand can be reproducing itself.

I'm glad you removed the rocks around the Blyxa

I know, wanted them to bring in red - but they just looked odd. What about some of the rocks I've seen that are similar to Ingo's in the 40G breeder? Or do you think they wouldn't work either?

Thanks for the input. I'll keep trying, within my limited scaping talents, to try to get this looking better.

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I'll keep trying, within my limited scaping talents, to try to get this looking better.

Hey Robyn, the better you get the more they (we) bash you for not being perfect

Keep in mind that overall you tank looks very nice and about 80% of tanks (that call themselves planted) are not looking anywhere near as good. Don't let us fools drive you insane, except if you want us to do so .

About a plant with different leaf shape etc.:
Albeit you may well be right that this is a different growth form and such, it simply may be the same plant grown under different conditions. Take my narrow leaf ludwigia, for example. After having moved a few stems from the hight light/tech 125 to the medium light low tech 20, the old shoots produced new stems (after initial trimming) with leaves that I would almost classify as needle leaf ludwigia, if I wouldn't know better. I would guesstimate that, per leaf, the mass has shrunken by about 70%. And it took about 4 months to do so.

About Ingo Rocks :
I think that they would work, it is just that we all looked for some color variety into the reddish theme. Red stands out a little more than a black/white rock.

Ingo

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Hey Robyn, the better you get the more they (we) bash you for not being perfect

That's ok, I'm tough, I can take it

Don't let us fools drive you insane, except if you want us to do so .

Wouldn't ask questions, if I didn't want the response.

Still not giving up on the wood just yet, so thinking of what anubia to order. Thought slightly bigger one for the horizontal & some nana climbing part way up the vertifical.

Was thinking of barteri coffeefolia - cause it's described as a low variety & because the new leaves are red-brown - but also remembering Ingo's advice about narrow leaves, so another choice is angustifolia ('afzelli) described has having long narrow leaves. Keeping in mind that this is the area where I'm aiming to keep the plants low, I don't know how tall this plant gets.

What do you think would work best?

EDIT: An old plan to get a glass diffuser via Paulus, has now been reactivated. It just has to make it, via Australia Post, from Brisbane to Sydney in one piece & that by no means, is a certainty. Fingers Crossed.

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TW

You may underestimate the size of a Barteri, no matter which. Except if it is the same as Anubias Nana coffeefolia, which gets to the size of a regular Nana. Somewhere hidden in my 125 are a few afzelli, with leaves of about 5 to 8 inches, on maybe 3 inch stems, not the shortest plant.

Paulus - aka upikabu - will for sure pack it as good as he can, the way I know him. Let's hope that your postal workers show at least some responsibility over the goods that they have to handle.

Ingo

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leaves of about 5 to 8 inches, on maybe 3 inch stems

That's way too big for me. This is the link for the plant & I thought it was being described as small - but sounds like I should just stick with nana??

http://www.aquariumproductswholesale.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=874

Anyway, my Blyxa continues to baffle me. It multiplies into 2 plants, but the inner leaves are turning a reddish brown - more red than brown. Some of the leaves are now melting - I don't think it appreciated me moving it to separate the 2 plants.

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Robyn,

My bad - I did some more research on the coffeefolia and it turns out that the doubts that I had with regards to the relationship between Nana, Barteri, and Coffeefolia were true. So here is a clarification:

- Anubias Nana is actually an Anubias barteri var nana
- There is no such thing as a nana var coffeefolia, the real name is Anubias barteri coffeefolia, as you stated initially, before I got you all messed up.
- As such, the coffeefolia should be about the size of a nana and add some color to the tank (and a different leaf structure, more rippled than the nana).
Sorry about that

About the Blyxa:

Now here is something that I tried to point out all along: a reddish plant color is a healthy Blyxa that gets enough light to form this color. Some leaves will always wither away, as long as they are not all the new ones that the plant produces.

Hope this helps,

Ingo

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Thanks Ingo,

I will order a coffeefolia & hope that I get some of those new leaves that are red/brown. I guess as they age they turn green, but at least I have the chance of some colour.

Yippee, yahoo for the Blyxa. I was hoping that was the case, but didn't want to suggest it might be so. I made sure there's nothing to shade the blyxa & they are directly under the tubes, so it gets the maximum light. I will order some more of these. Hopefully the red colour & them multiplying into 2 plants, means it will be a stayer. Yay, more red in my tank

Even though I have low light, I might even buy one red stem plant just as a little experiment. All previously died on me, but that was without C02.

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Hoping someone wouldn't mind checking out this link for me http://www.aquariumproductswholesale.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1493 The picture looks different to my Blyxa. It's heaps cheaper at this site ($7.95) where as my LFS wants about $20 or $25 for it.

Is it the right plant - it might be just a poor sketch?

Also, which one of these descriptions in general should I avoid. Some plants are described as "submerse" and others as "emerse" - which should I be avoiding?

Thanks in advance.

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Personaly would rather have submersed growth so the plant doesn't have to change over. Though I have heard some plants do not ship as well this way. Just my two cents.

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The plant in the link is Blyxa Japonica. Just the pic from tropica is what the plant would look like in about 6 inches of water !

Don't hold out much hope of red from the Coffeefolia. The stems are red but are hard to see under the leaves. The new leaves have a yellowish/brown color as they emerge but they change to dark green in a couple of days. Beautilful plant but it doen't produce a lot of leaves.

For an easy red plant try Altherena Reineckii "Scarlet Temple" easy plant will stay red even when the light not so good.

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Thanks Wings & Bensaf

Well, I have given up on coffeefolia anyway, as tropica said it grew quite high (15-25cm).

I looked up http://www.aquariumproductswholesale.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=861and it looks good.

I guess it's not worth trying Ludwigia inclinata http://www.aquariumproductswholesale.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=854 What do you think - no chance in 1.6wpg?

EDIT: I may not have red plants, buy I'm really happy with my rasboras these days. They have have coloured up a really nice bright red, so I hope that means they're happy in there. Here's a pic - I know, I know, they're fuzzy - but they're red too Pic doesn't capture they're full beauty as in real life they have such brightness, are much redder, and are really lovely to watch the small school of red crossing too & fro

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Antoher question - I have some in my previous post too.

Is there a difference between chain sword & pygmy chain sword. There is something described as chin sword for sale on ebay - says it gorws to 7-9cm in height. Does pygmy stay smaller than that, or are they the same plant.

Also, if I were to try hair grass, how do you trim this without making a gastly mess it the tank. Is there a trick to it. I can only imagine that I will a lot of trimmings floating around. I the float (ie rise to the top, I guess I can scoop them out with a net - but I can't think of another way to do it)

Any thoughts?

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Sorry, I'm bombarding here with questions. Thinking of putting the 4ft tank on hold, & instead trying to upgrade the lighting on the current tank. I don't know if I will go ahead with this plan, as it might look a bit odd, but here goes.

I will remove the front section of my hood altogether, leaving still insitu the existing trickle filter that runs atop the whole back length of my tank - that is the bit that will look odd. Then order a new 24" pc light unit that holds 2 x 55watts, each on a sep. power cord. This will give me the following lighting options:-

when 1 light is on, I will have 1.26wpg
when 2 lights are on, I will have 2.53wpg

I have compared this to what I was told would be a good configuration if I did the 4ft tank & the wpg work out almost the same. The only difference is, this tank is a deeper tank. My 43.5G tank is just around 23.5inches - so the light has to penetrate a further 3.5inches than it would have on a 4ft tank (I think it was 20inches - but maybe only 18inches. If 18inches, then an even greater difference in depth to penetrate.)

I am even confusing myself with this waffle (although in my head it is picture clear - just can't transfer it to words).

Do you think that it is worthwhile me buying this light for this tank. My goal for doing this will be so I am less limited in plant choices (although we have less here than US anyway) and so I can throw in some red plants. Will the light be sufficent for my goal.

Thank you

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TW

A few further changes were made at water change time. The larger leaved blue stricta was replaced with the thinner leaved version. The hygro was removed, trimmed & replaced. My large fern wood was raised (by sitting on top of another piece of driftwood) so that you can see creeping wisteria, then wood, then the fern, & then the stem plants behind. To the right hand side, I took out the previous week's piece of wood & replaced it with 3 new thinner pieces. Also thinned out the java fern & only put back the fern with smaller leaves. I haven't been able to find narrow leave java, but if I ever find it - that's where it will go. The Blyxa never recovered from my replanting last week, so it's gone. But 6 new Blyxa have been ordered. I'm trialling some chain sword at the front. At the moment, the right hand side needs lots more ground plants & anubia nana for the wood - but these things will have to happen gradually. Plus I have to decide how I feel about the wood first.

Here is a full tank shot.

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close up of the new wood & plant arrangement. The wood has been in there for 24hrs & some of it has darkened to match the other wood in the tank, while some hasn't. Hoping that as the wood absorbs more water, it will all turn darker - as in different parts, the same piece of wood can be darker or lighter. Also, imagine that eventually all the substrate will be planted with low plants (chain sword & blyxa,ricca on rocks - with hair nets of course).

Something else in this tank is bothering me. I've mentioned previously that my water from tap is around 2 or 3kH at most. This tank previously tested 3kH, then 5kH, but one day last week it tested 7kH, so something in there is raising kH. Now all my rocks are out - I'm only left wondering if it is my gravel. I remember a LFS telling me that black gravel can effect my pH & I did the vinegar test on it & checked with where I bought it. Vinegar gave no reaction & LFS of purchase told me it's inert, but with no other rock in there - what else can be causing the kH to go up, if not the gravel. I'm going to watch this & I'm starting to consider whether I should pull the tank apart & replace the soil with either Eco or ADA. I'm hesitant to use the ADA, cause how do I tell my C02 level if my ADA soil is altering the pH? But Amano uses it, so it must be ok. Guess I'd just have to go with counting bps. I do like the ADA in my non C02 tanks, but would C02 bring the pH down even further.

I wonder whether anyone on this forum uses ADA & C02 togehter & what experiences they've had with the pH and if it drops too low.

ADA & Eco Complete would cost me around the same - although I think I've bugged an on line supplier enough that he's thinking of getting the Eco & he said he'd do it cheaper if he does.

Still I'm not rushing into the decision to change the substrate - but I don't like the kH altering on me - so I'll continue to think about it a bit longer.

Also, in an earlier post I asked a question about an idea of changing the lights. Wonder if I'm on the right track with what I'm thinking of getting.

Thanks.

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Robyn,

I think that the new wood looks very nice, although I am sure you will still tinker with its exact positioning and such. Also, the area of the wood is now either too empty or too full. With that, I mean that is is too open to stand its ground compared to the left side, but not open enough to be considered a truely open space.

About the light question: is that the one where 2 lights would give you 2.53wpg? That sounds good, is for sure not too much, but will maybe limit you on some plants that need really high light. 2x65W, if available, are an option as well. And - given that that can be fired individually, it is just a question of how long to have both on at the same time.

Hope this helps a little,

Ingo

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Hi Ingo, maybe next week I'll remove a piece of wood, although I wanted lots to help bring my pH down a little. When C02 is off, this tank can creep all the way up to around 8pH.

I really can't (or at least I can't yet) cope with this side being completely open & can't think how I could make it work that way. By that I mean I don't think I have the skill to gradually have the stems sloping down to the open space. Or is the idea that the last stem still remains high - but tucked behind the larger ferned wood & then suddenly all becomes low beyond?

In the meantime until or if I'm able to go low completely, I'm just playing around with how it might look with branchy wood & low grassy plants. Who knows how this side will end up - I certainly don't

My tank is an awkward length & as usual, my complaint is we don't have a full range of possibilities open to us over here. There doesn't seem to be a compact light the length to fit my tank. My tank is 32inches, but the 30inch fittings I've found only take fluorescents. To get a PC, the biggest (that is not too big) is 24inches & it only comes in a 2 x 55watt combo. Although I didn't actually ask if it will accept any larger watt, the impression I got when speaking to the sales staff was that this is only available in that wattage & that there's no other suitable choice - although I will ask more questions. I will make sure whatever I end up with, will be able to be fired separately.

Thanks for comments.

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TW

Robyn,

Sorry about me being so forgetful, I guess I am getting old. I never seem to remember all the light issues that you folks have going on down under, maybe it is because it is almost uncomprehensable (sp) over here that you cannot pick from at least 5 providers to get exactly what you need.

Open side of tank: Have you seen my 29G log lately? If you compare the left and middle section of your tank to mine, they are almost identical. You be the judge ...


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Re: the lack of availability. It's a catch 22. I keep getting told they're not available here 'cause there's no demand for them - but if they're not in the shops on display & being promoted in the 1st place, how can they expect the public to demand them.

Somehow, I don't seem to have your 29G log on my active list. Hmmmm, I'll go looking for it now.

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TW

Yes, I see what you mean & your 29G tank looks really nice that way. I see 2 problems that may prevent low plants that require medium/high light working in the very rear of my tank:-

1. My wet/dry trickle filter sits atop my tank, at the rear. It runs the whole length of the tank & is 6inches wide. No direct light hits the back 6 inches of tank. My rear stem plants always bend forward, to reach the light. So I don't know if pygmy chain sword or Blyxa would be able to grow at the back.

2. My water return & C02 reactor would be exposed & ugly. blah blah blah, I know I've said that before.

Despite that, if I go ahead & get a new light, I might try the dwarf chain sword along the back & see if it will grow. Don't think it would be worth trying until I at least have new lights though.

Stage 2 of my tank upgrade would be to replace the existing filter with a cannister filter - but that is even further down the track. Cash flow prevents that right now.

I think it will be a while before I get this to a point where the right hand side is ok.

My otos like the new wood though

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TW

Robyn,

With the last 6 inches getting no light, do you mean all the way to the bottom of the tank? That would be aweful. Chain Swords don't grow tall and if you move your light further to the front maybe enough will reach the lower back parts for your plants to grow.

No money for a filter? You better start winning some of the marathons you run, the price money should pay for one

Ingo

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Well I suppose it gets some light, because I can still see there. But above that back 6inch wide block, running the length of the tank is the black bottom of the filter which sits on top & must to an extent, shade the plants underneath. Maybe if/when I get a new light & change the hood, I'll make sure there are good reflectors in the light to help this out.

When I win all the marathons (yeah, right) I'll put the prize money to a new eheim cannister filter, make the tank top all glass - problem solved.

Anyway, by moving a freestanding light fitting to the front, I will get more light at the back? I'll try that too (when/if I get light).

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TW

Anyway, by moving a freestanding light fitting to the front, I will get more light at the back? I'll try that too (when/if I get light).

What? You mean another light, further to the front, but still on top of the tank, right? That may work too, but it is a longer way from front top to bottom back than it would be straight down, I also believe it would make plants grow forwards (towards the light, if they can).

I think the best thing would be a different filter. Do you guys have the Hagen AquaClear HOBs available? I am sure that the 110 would be more than what you need. On the other hand, this would still be a problem with some surface agitation and CO2.

Ingo

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you move your light further to the front maybe enough will reach the lower back parts for your plants to grow

No, I was referring to this quote from your earlier reply. I thought that you meant that when/if I get my new light, if I push it to the front, somehow more light reflected to the back. I have obviously not understood what you mean. I can be a bit slow at times.

I think we have those, but I would like to go the cannister route. I'm hoping next year when my daughter leaves school, I can get that eiheim filter & change completely to a glass top.

If I get the new light, my hood - which takes up 3/4 of the tank top space, will be replaced with glass. I rang the light manufacturer today (LFS gave me his number). I found it hard to understand why they make a 30inch in fluro only & the compact in 24 & 36inch. I hoped it was an error, but it seems I will have to get a 24inch fitting to go on my 32inch tank if I want compact, but still faced with the problem that the stand for the light is made to fit over the edges of the tank (it won't sit flat on tank glass top). I'm to ring the boss back on Monday to see if there is any solution. If not, will have to search out the hardware store. I don't really want to risk putting a strong light directly on my glass, as it may get hot. The ones here do not have the fans that I've heard you mention yours have.

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TW

I'm hoping next year when my daughter leaves school, I can get that eiheim filter & change completely to a glass top.

Why - are you going to sell off all her stuff that she will leave behind

I think you understood the light thing just fine, moving it forward is what I had in mind. It was me who didn't get it when I asked about an extra light even further to the front.

I have no doubt that it would be possible to rig something onto a light fixture to make it be elevated over a tank glass. Maybe we should get Matty on the case

Ingo

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Why - are you going to sell off all her stuff that she will leave behind

I hope that she will not be going anywhere soon, but NO MORE SCHOOL FEES. YAY YIPEEE YAHOO. University fees can be hexed (means deferred & later when she is a wage earner, paid back out of her salary bit by bit (deducted like tax is).

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TW

A week or so ago I bought a 6 pack of Blyxa Japonica on ebay & it hasn't turned up yet - so I emailed the seller to see if it had gone astray. He told me shipment was delayed, but has been sent now & to make up for the delay he's added some extra Blyxa, lily grass + banana lily to compensate for this late shipment.

Does anyone have experience with lily grass or banana lily, or know what light requirements they need.

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TW

Robyn,

First of all, it is always nice to get a freebee
Secondly, rarely are they any good, either because they are not prime plants within the species, or they are cheaper plants

I don't know what the Lily Grass would be, but the Banana Lily seems to be the Banana Plant, Nymphoides aquatica as can be seen here. Overall, pretty ok, but not my favorite, albeit I never had it.

I would say, if it comes for free and you have a spot for it, then use it.

Ingo

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Robyn,

The banana plants are fun plants. Not very demanding you just plop them in and they kinda get moved around by the current and fish. They will grow long leaves that will go to the surface and then open like a little lilly pad. If it is in fact the plant the Ingo refers to.

BTW - I might have missed something, but what wattage are you growing the Blyxa in?

My Scapes

Thanks Ingo & Tetratech for the replies. So does that mean the banana plant is not a foreground plant?

BTW - I might have missed something, but what wattage are you growing the Blyxa in?

This answer is longer than it should be, as I'm playing around with a conversion idea. Currently, I'm only running 1.63wpg. I have a 2 stage conversion plan.
Stage 1.
a. Remove front section of hood altogether & replace with a glass lid.
b. leave insitu existing trickle filter that runs atop whole back length of my tank - This will will look odd - I know.
c. Order 24" pc light unit that holds 2 x 55watts, each on a sep. power cord.

Maths is far from my strong point, but I think this change will give me:
when 1 light is on, I will have 1.26wpg
when 2 lights are on, I will have 2.53wpg

Tank is around 23.5inches deep & 32inches long – will this light be enough?

Why don't I get a 30inch fitting you ask? Because that is only avaiable as a fluro light fitting. Why don't I get 65watt lights you ask? Cause we have a lousy range & that's what I'm stuck with.

Ingo, the stand for the light problem is solved (spoke to manufacturer, who said he will cut off the overlap part of stand that needed to fit over side of tank, so that it is able to sit on a flat top, eg glass lid).

He has also given me the option of paying the price of a 36" light fitting, that he would cut back to fit a 32"tank. I thought this sounded good, until he said that it would still only contain the 2 x 55w tubes & I would be paying $100 more. So, now I have to decide if I'm willing to pay $100, just so the fitting fits the tank (I read your comments Tetratech in your log where you say you think it looks better if it fits) but $100 is a lot more to pay & that $100 could go towards me completing stage 2 sooner rather than later.

Stage 2
a. replace existing trickle filter with a cannister filter & buy extra glass top to fill the space previously filled by the trick filter.

I can't decide what to do. I am the sort that often prefers to wait & do nothing, until I can afford the right choice. The last thing I want to do is spend the money on the light, only to be not happy with the look.

Tetratech, does it bother you a lot that your light doesn't run the whole length of the tank? What would you do? Would you spend the $100 extra, to make the light casing longer, even though you get no more wpg for your money?

I'm not sure which path to take here.

All comments would be appreciated.

Cheers
TW

Tetratech, does it bother you a lot that your light doesn't run the whole length of the tank? What would you do? Would you spend the $100 extra, to make the light casing longer, even though you get no more wpg for your money?

Do you mean from an aesthetic point of view or a functional one. From an aesthetic point of view it would probably look alittle better if it went all the way across and once on those arms tha lift it about 1.5 inches, but it's on little rubber feet and it doesn't really look bad. The other options are too hang it from the ceiling. I know coralife for example does make a cable specifically made for my light. I am also toying around with putting a canopy on my tank that would cover the light. If I do that my light being shorter than the tank would make taking the canopy off and on much easier.

From a functional point of view it doesn't affect me, but I also don't have highlight plants on my corners, but I really don't see much shading on the corners, looks like the spread is pretty good.

Bottom line is, you won't have much of a problem either way so it's really up to you. There would be plenty of ways to scape the tank if you went with the shorter light and corner shading became an issue, but $100 is a personal thing so I would go with your first instinct and not too crazy over it.

Hope I didn't confuse you more

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Thanks Tetratech

Yeah, I'm meaning from an aesthetic point of view, because either way I'm stuck with the wpg given by the new fitting (2 x 55W). The light will be on arms that raise it, not rubber legs.

I'm reading between the lines of your post & guessing that the length issue does aesthetically bother you, or else you wouldn't be considering those other options (hood or hanging from ceiling).

I'm not bothered too much about the edges of tank, I'll keep lower light plants in those sections.

when 1 light is on, I will have 1.26wpg
when 2 lights are on, I will have 2.53wpg
Depth of tank: 23.5inches

Is the new wattage I'll get worthwhile making the changes. Will it let me grow the highlight plants that I'd like to try?

Thanks

Cheers
TW

I'm reading between the lines of your post & guessing that the length issue does aesthetically bother you, or else you wouldn't be considering those other options (hood or hanging from ceiling).

That's pretty good Robyn, it bothers me to the point that it would probably look alittle better, but it still looks good (I'm also very particular with these things. As you might know I purposely put a black background, black intake and black heater on my tank so they wouldn't stand out.

Anyway as far as the lighting, you would have pretty much my lighting WPG 1.3 and 2.7, but your tank is smaller and deeper so it wouldn't be as intense. Let's put it this way 2.5 is much better than 1.6 and it would allow you to grow alot more plants than you are growing now. Would it allow high light plants, probably some, not all, but it's definitely worth the move up IMO.


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Thanks Tetratech

I'll have a think now about what I want to do.

Now, plants have arrived & I can't figure out how you are supposed to plant these banana plants.

Here's a pic of the 1st one. Are the long thin things the roots that I plant - but they seem to be pointed the same direction as the the stem & leaf? What to do?

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Here's the 2nd one. Do I put all those lower long green stems in the substrate. Are they the roots? I'm confused?


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The "Bananas' are actually the roots and you could push them into the substrate. I've had those in the past and never really planted them I just put them in and they kinda sunk to the bottom, but that was before I was into planted aquaria. When the leaves get big and head to the surface the plant used to rise up from the buoyancy. Think of them as a small pond lilly, the leaves will head for the surface and open up like a pond lilly. It's not a full plant it throws of long thin leaves that uncurl at the surface. I believe it's more of a pond plant, but there actually fun to have in aquariums.

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Those "bananas" are long - can I trim them before planting them?

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TW

Hi,
Banana plants are "neat" and draw their name from the
banana looking tubes that sprout roots. The green tubes
are NOT the roots. If you plant that plant so the green
tubes are buried in the gravel the plant will die.
The "bananas" are actually the equivalent of a camel's
hump. They are the storage sites for the plants nutrients.
The correct way to plant them is to set the plant so
the bananas are in contact with the gravel, and white
roots will grow out of the base of the bananas into the
gravel and anchor the plant.

For the "odd shaped" one, I would suggest that you use
line and somthing to anchor the plant so that the
bananas are in contact with the gravel. The plant will
naturally turn the leaves upward to the light over time.

Frank


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The green tubes are NOT the roots.

Well I guess that is based on ones interpetion of what a root is. The bananas are put of the plants root system (root tubercle) and can be partially buried in the substrate to anchor them down.

As I said the "bananas" could be pushed into the substrate I didn't say "buried". It's similiar to a potato. A potato is a root, but it also grows smaller roots below it.

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Those are some unusual looking banana plants, never seen bananas that long. Usually they're shorter and fuller. It'll be interesting to see how they grow in and adjust...

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hi robyn,

just had a brief read through your log - you are so much more 'into' the whole planted thing than i am! - i have a 6 foot main tank, fully planted with various swords, including amazon and ozelot, and green tiger lotus. i fertilise with sera florena tabs about once a month and do nothing else, aside from a heavy pruning every 2 months or so and a 40% water change once a week. i have two sets of lights, but they are just 'normal' aquarium bulbs, one lot on from 7am - 9pm, one lot from 11am - 2pm.

algae issues are solved by my faithful sturisoma panamense who eat pretty much all of it, and when i need to give the front glass a scrub, i do. my fish are beautiful and breed regularly (not the sturisoma - that would be TOO exciting!!!), and so while that's the case, i leave well enough alone.

my other small species tank is a 30-litre self-contained unit, planted with anubius and small swords and housing my lovely triple-red cacs, who have just bred for the first time - i only got them 3 weeks ago.

yes, i am in sydney - the inner west. my boyf and i have just moved back here after a year in melbourne. where do you do your fish-shopping? i'm a big fan of slippery little suckers and st george aquariums.

i put some info re: film canisters on ingo's thread. i am sure that they are fine regardless of which company they come from. you can easily glue them to a rock to anchor them and then plant and build around them, or just wedge them under driftwood etc - whatever takes your fancy. how many apisto's do you have?

regards,

justin

Thanks Frank, tetratech & NowherMan6 for the banana plant advice. I wasn't around at all yesterday & didn't know what to do with them, so I have them free floating in some water. Now I know what to do, so thanks for that. I'm not sure if they really "fit" in my tank, but you all seem to say they are fun plants. If I follow you Frank, I just need to place them on the substrate & let them do their thing - may have to fiddle with the funny shaped one, as you say. NowherMan6, these were freebies to make up for a late delivered order, so that may explain why they are unusual looking.

Thanks Justin, I read all your comments - here & in Ingo's log too. Thanks for that. My apistos aren't in this log. They are in low tech tanks, here http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/threads/28750.6.htm?138# & here http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/threads/28921.2.htm?39# My camera & skills are poor, but you will find various pics of the apistos in the logs. In my 23.G (90L) tank I have a pair of Apistogramma Bitaeniata. I bought this pair from B & C Aquarium @ Matraville. The female recently had her 1st brood (2nd eggs, but first hatching). I only ever saw 5 of them free swimming & she is now continuing to guard her final survivor, who has been free swimming for just over 2 weeks now. In the 20G (75L) I have a pair of Cacateudies Triple Red. I got this pair from Auburn Aquarium. I've also bought other fish (not apisto) from from St George (I was there last night getting my C02 bottle filled). My complaint with St George though is that they are not open at all on Sundays & they close 6pm on Thursday nights too, which is a bummer. I have some endlers that came from SLS, as well I got my ADA soil for the 90L from there. BTW, while pricey, I think the ADA soil makes keeping Apistos easier - keeps the water at the right pH & kH, without having to bother with buffers. Nice to plant in too. I was going to get dehane pair from SLS too, but the Bitaeniata took it's place & I now have no room for the dehane. I'm from Menai, in the Sutherland Shire (near Cronulla, Miranda etc) so St George is not that far from me.

Your lighting set-up is another way I could go, but the compact fluro's mean that I'll get almost the same wattage as 4 x 30w, but without the bulk of 2 light fittings on the tank. I haven't ordered it yet, but I'm close. It will be a PC, with twin 55watt tubes - with twin power cords - so I can have 2 lighting sequences too. Currently I only have the lighting that comes with those Aqua-one aquarium kits - it's pretty low level.

Do you have pics of your tank/s you can share. I don't know what a sturisoma panamense is, but I will look them up now.

Thanks for the help with the film canisters. I was all set to go with them, with the little holes drilled in the ends & everything, when I bought the Bita from B & C. It was the guy there (Barry) who scared me off using them.

Thanks again.

Cheers
TW

Hi Robyn,
Yes that will work. I was not trying to be critical of the
earlier post. It's just that so many of these plants are
killed off by well meaning folks. If you bury the bananas
too deeply they will turn to mush and the plant will die.
Many figure they are the roots when they actually arn't.
Once they are situated and left alone, long white roots
will grow from the base of the green banana into the
gravel.

I had best luck in growing them when I just put the tips
in the gravel. Of course the tanks currents raised heck
with the idea, so I figured a way to hold them down or
simply planted them in a "dead" corner.

Here is acouple of sites that will help:

http://www.aquahobby.com/garden/e_banana.php

and

http://www.aqualandpetsplus.com/Plant,%20Banana.htm

Frank


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the thing to remember with banana lillies is that they are quick and opportunistic growers which will cut out light to your other plants - i absolutely love them, and used to have quite a beautiful set up of driftwood, anubius, and two banana lillies which completely covered the surface with leaves about 12 cm across. the fish in that tank (it had 30 rummies and 3 sturisoma panamense in it) LOVED it and never looked better. so in terms of aquascaping, the plant doesn't take up much space at all except on the surface, and the leaves settle where the current moves them to, not directly above where you plant the roots. so you can't really judge where the plant will end up providing cover. that's the only issue as far as lighting the rest of the tank. oh, they also have enormous root systems once established.

it might sound like quite a few negatives, but sitting on the floor and looking up at the surface of a tank covered in lily pads is pretty damn cool...

regards, justin

Thanks Frank & Justin,

Somehow, I think these banana plants may not be for me, as my lighting is bad enough without all the the shading issues, but thank you both for the input.

Justin, just want to make sure you saw me reply to you on the previous page.

Cheers
TW

hi robyn, sure did see your reply - thanks for that. it is annoying that st george isn't open sundays - i don't have a car (for environmental reasons) so i found that out the hard way by catching a train out there one day from the inner west - not really so far, but an annoying waste of time when i could have been watching my fish!!

my lighting is a twin-bar, so 4 x 30 watt. no bulky lighting at all - just wide enough for my cat to sleep on most of the day. (don't worry - he is too well-fed to even look at the fish, let alone try to catch them).

what other fish do you keep? i'm in a bit of a dilemma at the mo - i bought two trios of flame gouramis as feature fish and they are nest-building and breeding, but they also pick at the new plant growth, which then grows up with tattered edges or holes in the middle - not happy jan. so they might go to another home and i'll find myself a new feature fish.

stock list:
40 harlequins
3 siamese fighter females,
5 kuhlis
3 yoyos
and the troublesome flames... decisions, decisions....

nice chatting, maybe see u at st george one day.

regards, justin

my lighting is a twin-bar, so 4 x 30 watt

As my tank is much shorter than 6ft (only 32inches wide) I don't think a fluro combination like that is available for me. For my tank, to have fluros with that wattage, I'd need 2 twin units, with each globe 30watts.

In this tank my stock is:-

8 harly rasboras
6 sterbai cory
4 rainbows
5 gold twin bar platys
2 guppys (who will probably go soon, 2 be replaced by 2 endlers
3 otos

In the 23.g I have:-

the 2 apistos
2 pencil fish
2 otos

In the 20g I have:-
2 apistos
2 endlers (to move to the 43.5G)
2 glow light rasboras
2 pencils (they may go & I may build up the rasboras)
2 otos

You must have been annoyed to turn up at St George that Sunday. Bummer.

Cheers
TW

Justin,

Hey - you are right on my side of the Harlequin Lover spectrum (although I have Espei), but I guess you knew that.

Robyn, sorry that I did not participate in the Banana Plantation discussion, but I know too little about it.

Ingo

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That's fine Ingo - you are my main conributor to all other queries & I know you have many worries with work & your new apisots. I have put the banana plants in, but if they ever reach their potential of huge leaves, they will have to come out. While they are little, I give them a try & see. The funny shaped one has already sorted itself out a little - probably by trying to seek the light.

Cheers
TW

Here are some shots after tonight's water change.

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from another angle

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closeup of right hand side. This side is an experiment, full of several plants that probably won't make it in my low light.

I have blyxa, chain sword, lily grass & some sort of red plant (I don't know the name) - so I'll see how long they last.

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TW

Your tank is looking pretty sharp. The large chunk of DW seems to give your tank some depth as you have plants sourounding it as ground cover.

How many fish do you have in there?

55G Planted tank thread
19G Container Pond
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Hi Wings, thanks.

I have:-
2 male Endlers
5 gold twin bar Platys (2M / 3F)
7 Harlequin Rasboras
6 sterbai cory
3 otos (not sure if they are all still there - usually only see 2 at a time)
4 Boesemani Rainbowfish (2 M & 2F)

The rainbows were originally to be moved into my empty 4ft tank, but for the moment, I'm banned from setting up that tank. Luckily at the moment, the rainbows are only small. Don't know what I'll do about them as they grow bigger, but they're ok for now. Hubby bought them for me as a gift.

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I added some some riccia covered rocks at today's water change. It's not as nice as I thought it would look though. The rocks aren't well enough covered, but hopefully time will correct that. It's also a much lighter colour than I expected. I thought there would be a strong colour contrast between the lighter wisteria & the darker riccia, but they are practically the same colour.

First pic is a full shot. Why is my ricca so pale in colour?

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A close up, showing the partly covered rocks. You can see here just how light it is. Is it a trick of tetratech's camera that his riccia looks so dark in comparison to mine?

A platy is zooming in to try munching on the riccia. I've noticed that they are enjoying trying to pull the riccia out through the netting holding it in place.

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This is just in case Rick checks in. You asked for pics of the riccia hair net preparation.

This pic shows the riccia sitting on top of the rock. The hair net is shown, just waiting to be used to secure the riccia. Just keep wrapping net over itself, until it holds.


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You can see here just how light it is. Is it a trick of tetratech's camera that his riccia looks so dark in comparison to mine?

No camera tricks Robyn , although my main group probably shades the foreground ricica more than the wisteria, but the biggest factor here IMO is hardscape. If you look at my tank not including the new riccia rocks almost all of the riccia is separated from the other plants by rock. The rock creates the constrast. and you could enjoy the different texture and shape of the riccia. If the majority of your riccia is simply sitting next to the wisteria than it probably won't show as much. You need to incorporate levels and/or rock to give it depth and interest. Congratulations, you've taken the next step in the wonderful world of aquascaping.

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Robyn,

Your great!! I like seeing how people put things together in thank as much as how the tank looks in the end!

The ricca looks good and so does the tank. Everything looks very healthy. /:'

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Thanks tetratech & Rick

It lacks something. The riccia didn't create the contrast I'm looking for & tetratech has hit it on the head.

I need to have more of a distinct separation between the wisteria & the riccia. I need bigger rocks - but not too big - & with interesting shapes. They need to be big enough to create different levels, but not taking away that I want that part of the tank to remain on the low side (except for the wood on the far right). For the moment I can't find such rocks & I won't do anything until I find just the right rocks.

If I had time, engergy & somewhere to put fish & keep filter running in the meantime, I'd also change the gravel to Eco Complete. The gravel is meant to be black, but looks more like grey to me. IMO black would give me a better look than currently in the tank.

Thanks for the input.

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If I had time, engergy & somewhere to put fish & keep filter running in the meantime, I'd also change the gravel to Eco Complete

I hear you

Exactly my thoughts for the 125G, but I would need an even bigger container. So - who is in this tank now? I could imagine that a bigger plastic bin would be big enough for you to actually house the fishies during a Little_Fish style overhaul

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Rubbermaids are the greatest for such things. I use them all the time for fish stuff. When I moved my tanks it was my saving grace. Now when I do plant trimming I use the cover on a TV food tray as my work bench.



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So - who is in this tank now?

2 male Endlers
5 gold twin bar Platys (2M / 3F)
7 Harlequin Rasbora
6 sterbai cory
3 otos (not sure if they are all still there - usually only see 2 at a time)
4 Boesemani Rainbow fish (2 M & 2F)

Hi Ingo & Wings,

I have 2 x 31G containers on wheels that I use at my water change time, so I could put the fish in those. (That's what I used when I wrecked another tank by adding the ADA soil without emptying - do you remember Ingo?) Not sure if the trickle filter would sit on top ok during the work - I don't want my filter to need cycling all over again, so I'd want to be able to keep it running. But, the other crucial factors, currently missing, are time & energy. One day, one day .....

Anyway, my naughty fish are busily eating away at my riccia

Below is a shot of the rocks. On Wednesday, you couldn't see any of the rocks. They didn't eat java moss, so I wonder why they're eating this.

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Here is a shot of my very 1st flower ever. And it wasn't there when I bought the plant either, it grew in the tank all by itself. You can see even see a little pearling on the left hand side. It was actually pearling all over, but only the bubble on the left shows in the pic.

Ho hum, says Ingo who has flowers all the time, but this is my FIRST. It took long enough - about 6 months.

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Ho Hum



If you ever should go and move the fish out to redo the tank then I would say add the filter media to one bucket and have an air pump going on it. Also, add some of the plants to that bucket (the rest of them with the fish). That should take care of the media and the bacteria.

As to fish eating the Riccia: Java moss tastes , Riccia is . That is why, try it yourself (just kidding on the trying part).
I would assume that the main plant eaters are the platies and the rainbows.

Nice flower, hope you will have many more.

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Robyn congrats on the flower

I like the way you setup the riccia rocks running from center to front. Is that the Blyxa to the right?

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Robyn, we all know that Ingo has only had one anubias flower, but has taken MANY pictures of it and has released them slowly to us over time. Don't let him tell you any different.

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You found me out. Actually, I never had even one. I took photos of them in varuious fish stores.

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Thanks for the replies guys. Yep, rainbows & platys eat the riccia, but so do the corys. Annoying, as I had to search hard & missed out on 3 bids on ebay before I could get the riccia. None in LFS.

I like the way you setup the riccia rocks running from center to front. Is that the Blyxa to the right?

Thanks tetratech. The effect is lost in a full view, cause the rocks are too low. I need to create more of a division, both in height & separation. Once I find suitable rocks & get more riccia. Yes that is blyxa to the right. In front of the blyxa is dwarf chain sword & behind the blyxa is lilly grass. This side of the tank is an experiment, as the plants shouldn't really grow in my light. I think that's why the chain sword is going yellow & the blyxa isn't as green as it should be. The only one doing well is the lilly grass, my least favourite, but if the others all die I'll pack in more of that instead. I even have one red plant in there & so far it isn't dying, but it's not a fast grower like my wisteria or hygro.

All in all, the tank is less work to maintain these days, with the only faster growers being tucked in behind the big piece of wood.



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Ingo

Java moss tastes , Riccia is .

I wonder if I should plant it the way the seller instructed. He gave 2 versions, the 1st being how I did it (riccia straight on the rock & then secured). But he said he grows it himself by putting a thin layer of riccia, then a layer of java moss, & then a 2nd layer of riccia on top, then securing it. The mixture might make it taste less appealing.

Any thoughts?

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Hm, interesting.

All options on mixing other plants with Riccia that I have heard of have been solemnly for the purpose of keeping the plant down and locked to a location. Usually, hair grass is recommended for that purpose.

I never heard off mixing in moss to make the taste worse. I would assume that a fish can distinct between the light green Riccia and the dark green moss. Or is it assumed that the flavor would carry over from one plant to the other?

If you have some spare Moss and some spare Riccia, it sure would not harm to try it, but I don't know the outcome.

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As a reminder, here is a shot of the tank before tonight's water change. The creeping wisteria always grows too high for my liking.

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Here is a shot of the banana plant (or whatever it's called) that came for free with a plant order. It was an extra, 'cause the order was late. There have been at least 2 shoots that have already reached to surface, but I cut them off. As they look now, I quite like them. The stem can reach the surface really quickly. Two days ago, they were all fairly short (about the size in this pic) but tonight, I cut 2 back that had reached the surface & then started to cross the tank.

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Here is tonight's full shot. The creeping wisteria has been lowered & I have some new rocks. I took the riccia off the old rocks, but didn't even really have enough to cover just one of the rocks. I'll have to try to win another ebay auction for the stuff.

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Lastly, a close up of the area with the new rocks.

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Very nice Robyn
The wisteria is so easy to cut back that's one reason I like it. The banana plant looks like an Anubias in that pic. Adds some nice interest. Save some money and just wait for the riccia to grow. I started with a tiny amount just enough to partially cover two small rocks and have never purchased anymore.

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Nice Robyn,

What is that plant in front of the Blyxa? Tenellus?

Right now your tank actually has a distinct street, on the right of the driftwood with the Blyxa in the back and the other one in the front. It will be interesting to see how the addition of a full Riccia stone at the left of it will change this (hold on to the picture for later comparison).

I am with tetratech, if you have the time then just grow out enough Riccia. On the other hand, it is hard to wait so long to achieve some vision one has right now.

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Hi tetratch & LF. Thanks for the replies.

What is that plant in front of the Blyxa? Tenellus?

LFS told me it's chain sword. Maybe it is Tenellus, I don't really know.

if you have the time then just grow out enough Riccia

It's more whether my fish leave the riccia be or not. Last Wednesday I received a 30cm sq batch of riccia. A week later, all I have left is what you see on that one rock. I mightn't have enough light for it either.

I added additional layers of hair net, to make the fishes work harder to get at it. If this doesn't work, I guess it's back to java moss, but that's not what I really want.

Right now your tank actually has a distinct street....

I think I'm purposely trying to create layers & divisions. The left hand side isn't quite right at the moment, as the hyrgo is still too short. My vision for the left side is:- light green,low growing wisteria, a few inches of dark wood showing above it, with the darkish fern on top. Then rising behind would be the taller & lighter colours of blue stricta & hygro. I've heard others say this too, but there only seems a short period of time when these fast stem growers are just the right height. Then it's time for a trim & I'm left with a couple of weeks when they're too short. That's where I'm at now. My plan for the red rocks, topped with glosso, is that they are to follow the wisteria as it turns to wrap around & behind the big wood. Then to the right, the low field of my experimental plants of Blyxa, chain sword, lilly grass as well as nana anubia. Finished off with branchy wood & java ferns. We don't seem to have NL java fern - not even on-line, but that's what I'd really like to replace the java fern with. One day, I may yet find it. This side also has some crypts left over from the original planting. They really don't fit in, but so far they are healthy & I have no where to put them.

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It's more whether my fish leave the riccia be or not. Last Wednesday I received a 30cm sq batch of riccia. A week later, all I have left is what you see on that one rock. I mightn't have enough light for it either.

Yeah that's probably the difference growth rates based on the light. I have alot of fish that eat it (rainbow, rams) and I actually starve my fish, so they end up eating more it.

I actually feel I have a pretty good situation with the riccia, because it grows, but not at such a fast rate, so I only have to trim once a month or so. If I increase light probably more pearling, more growth on both the riccia and the stargrass I might actually start to reduce my stargrass to almost an accent instead of a main group. It just grows to fast. It's got to be one of the fastest growers around especially overnite.

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Hi tetratech

Thanks for response. I have seen pearling on my riccia, but not consistently. I agree the problem is probably the light - which is giving problems on most of the plants on the right hand side.

I don't know that I'll be able to change the lights, as hubby is really against me doing it. I'm searching the net & asking the manufacturer if there are any instructions about retrofit kits to upgrade the lighting in an Aqua One hood.

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Weekly update. I've allowed the creepin wisteria to grow in higher this week - no trimming. This was because I have platy fry hiding in it & want to give them as much cover as I can. Even so, I think they have mostly ended up as snacks.

Here is a full shot, with the overgrown creeping wisteria. Note the two lily pad leaves on the surface. Follow the stems down to left hand side of the tank. Everyone was right when the said the banana lily pads will travel all over the place.

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Next will come a couple of shots from the top of the tank, giving a better view of the banana lily pad. Looks like even though they seek the light, that they have been burnt a little by getting too close.

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Another areal shot. You get a glimpse of my experimental red plant. I don't know what it's called (as I didn't expect to have it long). It's been in there around a month & I've placed it where it gets no shade & is directly under the tubes.

It hasn't died - but the under leaves are greener, I think. You can also see the Blyxa next to it & to the right.

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Another experiment - dwarf hair grass.

Having trouble keeping this one in the grave.

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My riccia is starting to grow. It may not show up here, but I can see bright green little shoots peeking out of the hair net.

None at the moment, but I often see it pearling.

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It seems that out of my experimental plants that at least the chain sword is doing more than just existing. It has sent out runners, but not in the direction I wanted. Here is a picture of them crossing in front of my riccia rock. After the photo, I pulled up the runners & redirected them where I wanted them (behind the riccia rock.

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One of these days, I will get out the calendar & count out what week I'm up to. Anyway, here's the start of this week's update.

My experimental red stem plant is no more. I have a gap in the tank where it was & when I can find them, I'll fill in the gap with more chain swords. Out of all the experimental plants on that side of the tank, I think it is the one that is doing the best. The Blyxa is just sort of hanging in there, but the chain swords look nice & green.

The tank hasn't changed much, basically 'cause I'm fairly happy with it. I still like the wood on the right hand side too much to remove it. The fern on my main wood is getting some algae - it's going brown in places.



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The next few posts are just me trying to capture the beauty of my male Pelvicachromis taeniatus Nigeria Red

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Robyn,

At least from the distance the tank looks very nice

All seems to be lush and healthy, and that is a good thing.

And the first shot of your Nigeria Red is also pretty good, he sure does look very colorful (and mean - did you bug him? ).

How is the hair grass experiment coming along?

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your Nigeria Red is also pretty good, he sure does look very colorful (and mean - did you bug him? ).

That is just how he looks, but he is actually very peaceful. He is my 2nd Nigeria Red. I bought him as a playmate for the one in my 20G, as he looked lonely. I thought this would work, as some detail I found on these fish said they were conspecific peaceful - but my 1st male must not have read up on that fact & he was having none of it. He angrily watched during the acclimatisation process & once I released the intruder, he made an immediate physical change. His face turned the brightest red ever, he puffed up his cheeks to at least double size & opened his mouth to the fullest. I guess this is his fighting look. I had to rescue the intruder within minutes & had no choice but to add him to this tank without a QT period. I hope I don't have any problems with this.

How is the hair grass experiment coming along?

Not too bad. Here is a shot. I do notice some tips that are a bit brown, so I'll keep watching it. I have a bit of a hodge podge of experimental plants in this section, which eventually I'll need to come to some sort of decision of which will stay & which will go. I'm enjoying how they reduce the maintenance in the tank, having this side of the tank with plants that don't need trimming.



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That's a nice find on the Pelvicachromis taeniatus. I haven't seen those in New York. So they are African but live in soft acidic water different from their cousin Pelvicachromis pulcher.

The blyxa definitely needs strong light. I'm actually surprised it's lasted as long as it has with your current lights.

EDIT: How long has the hairgrass been in there.

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Pelvicachromis taeniatus. I haven't seen those in New York. So they are African but live in soft acidic water different from their cousin Pelvicachromis pulcher.

They're West African, I think from a riverine area called Cameroon. Where I bought him, they only had 2 males & I bought both of them. There's one in the 20G too. In the 20G I picked up a female from another LFS, and I'm only hoping that she really is a match. She doesn't have the red on her like the males - but when I googled on the internet, it seemed normal for the female to have a yellow chin instead. They apparently like a low pH, but can live happily in 7 or above. For breeding, soft water with a low pH is best - but this guy has no wife. the water should suit him though, as it fluctuates from 6.8 to 7.5, depending on what time in the C02 cycle it is.

How long has the hairgrass been in there.

Not that long, only since around 8 September.

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I'm going away tomorrow for 3 nights, so fingers crossed the C02 doesn't run out while I'm gone. Hoping it won't matter too much that the ferts & traces won't get dosed as usual. I think I'd rather leave the tank untouched while I'm gone, rather than ask hubby or my daughter to feed or dose the tank. It should cope for those days I'm away, I'm guessing. All the tanks will miss out on their weekly water change, but even that I assume as a "once off event" will not matter too much.

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Robyn,

It may matter a little, but if you throw in a water change once you are back you should be fine. If your tank would be on the edge to collaps then it would matter more.

Have fun at whatever you are doing for the next few days,

Ingo

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Thanks Ingo

Have fun at whatever you are doing for the next few days

5 domestic flights & a couple of driving trips in 3 days, on a business trip. Doesn't found like that much fun. Unfortunately, I will have a couple of these type of trips during the next 6-12 months.

I think whatever mess may happen by the neglect, may be better than what could happen if someone plays with the tank - as I haven't really taught anyone properly. When I went to the marathon in April I asked if someone could feed the small 7G hospital tank & I came home to murky water. I couldn't clear it by doing daily 50% water change over several days & finally pulled the tank completely apart. It had an underground filter & when I took all the gravel out - the gunk under there was unbelievable. Hard to imagine how much the fish would have been overfed to have caused that much gunk in one weekend. Since then, I've never asked anyone to touch any of the tanks.

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I asked if someone could feed the small 7G hospital tank & I came home to murky water

If you had mentioned how much to feed per day and it hadn't been done right (and all your family members are grown-ups) then this is a sign that they don't really want to take care of your tanks. So - not having anyone do anything may be the best approach .

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I agree. Even if I'm gone a week, I don't have anybody feed the tank. Very dangerous.

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I'm hoping someone can set me straight here. Way back when I first started out, I've looked back through my earliest threads & I can see Tom Barr suggested I should add the epsom salt 1/2 tspn after the water change. I also thought bensaf said the same, but 1/4 tspn. I don't remember for sure why I'm adding it though.

The subject of adding epsom salt came up in another thread and here is an extract of one of the comments in regards to epsom salt

So_Very_Sneaky Wrote:
Do Not add Epsom salt to a tank with every water
change. Epsom salts can actually cause the fish to be
robbed of fluids. This should only ever be used in cases of constipation, and only in a dip. You should never ever keep a constant amount of epsom salts in your tank.

Now I'm sure that the plant expert Tom Barr would not have recommended the epsom salt if it was going to harm my fish, but So_Very_Sneaky seems very sure of her advice.

I was wondering what other opinions there are on the issue of epsom salts? I don't want to hurt my fish.

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Robyn,

I don't know what this salt is for either . Can it be that it was suggested to you instead of Baking Soda or Seachem Equilibrium, the first to buffer KH, the second to buffer GH?

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I can only find Tom's response, can't find bensaf's. But what I remember him writing was something along these lines: "you don't need the expensive Seachem Equilibrium, epsom salt will do".

You're an IT wiz - how can I call up all of my threads - not just my active threads? Maybe then when I have some time I can search for bensaf's advice on this (at least I think it was bensaf - could be wrong).

If it's going to hurt my fish, I won't use it .... but there must have been a reason why Tom Barr recommended it. That thread I can find, but Tom doesn't say why I'm adding it.

Thanks for the response Ingo

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I was close, with my guess that it is either KH or GH related.

Anyway, you don't really need an IT wiz for that

If you remember the forum it was posted in then go there and expand the list of threads to "last year". Then use the find menu (In your browser window, the Edit Menu drop down, option find). Type in your name (TankWatcher) and hit "find next" until you come to the thread that may contain the answer.

If you did not create that thread then your name wouldn't do. In this case try to remember any word that may have been in the title and search by that word.

Hope this helps,

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Epsom salts, or magnesium sulfate, is the accepted way of raising Mg levels in your tank. I think Mg falls under GH as they aren't carbonates. I was adding it in limited amounts at water changes for the nesea when I had it and still add a little bit.

As far as robbing your fish of water: yes, in high enough concentrations. Fresh water fish cant handle high concentrations of any salt like marine fish can. But saying you can't add any MgSO4 to your tank at water changes is silly. It's the same as saying you can't add aquarium salt to your tank. I'm not sure that aquarium salt has a beneficial effect, but we've all seen that low concentrations it won't hurt anybody.

From wetwetbmedia.com

Re: quick Epsom Salt question
Hello again, and thanks for all the help!
<our pleasure>
Could you please explain what Epsom salt does and its proper usage in the aquarium setting? ~Jim
<Okey-dokey... Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) is a fundamental and necessary component of sea salt but has numerous benefits to life at large. It is used with people and pets (birds, dogs, cats, etc) as a laxative. In the aquarium, this very property helps stressed and struggling creatures maintain better osmotic balance. Thus, a fish with a bumped and swollen eye can get relief (fluid from swollen eye) from Epsom salt. It is added to most dry fish foods to prevent internal blockage from greedy feeding fishes. It also is used in fresh or salt water to raise hardness and electrolyte levels. Dosed in moderation, there are few disadvantages to it. Most doses are 1 tsp to 1 TBSPN per 10 gallons and can be repeated. There is more information in our archives on this topic. Best regards, Anthony>

That's Anthony Calfo...one of the foremost in the reef hobby and propagating corals. Knows his stuff.

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Thanks Matty & Ingo for the Epsom salt advice.

Thought I'd share a pic of my 2nd ever annubia flower. I won't get too excited. Do you see to the right of this flower a bent over stem. That is my 1st ever flower. I don't know why, but it only stayed open for a day or so, then the leaf case closed back up around the flower & it bent over backwards on itself. Why would it do this?

I hope this flower doesn't do the same.

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I never saw an anubias flower do that, but they don't usually last very long anyways. Mine have always shed the casing, then the flower kind of dies off. Maybe it realized it was under water.

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You Nana Flower Amateurs

Anyway, the length of the life of a flower in my tanks depends mostly on the tank conditions, low tech = long, high tech = short. Makes sense, as all growth in a high tech is much faster.

In the high tech:

I usually see a closed bud developing for about a week, with the stem extending and the bud beginning to release a stream of really small air bubbles.

The the bud opens and the white flower center emerges, staying healthy for about 2 to 4 days.

Then, the structure starts to desintigrate, often the center falls off after a while (or dies off until only the skinny core is left), followed by the bud leaf. Most of the time though I do not wait for this to happen and trim the stem off after the flower had its hay days.

In the low tech:

The same, but muuuuuuch slower

That's my story and I am sticking to it,

Ingo

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Oh, 2-4 days. Is that all. I was expecting weeks of enjoyment So, I have already had this new flower for a couple of days, so I should expect it be gone any moment.

Funny that my other one's casing didn't drop off (as well as the flower). The casing closed back up around the flower and all is still there. It doesn't look dead or unhealthy - but should I trim it off?

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Robyn,

The tank is looking good. My first Anubias flower did the same thing until I got tired of it and cut it off at a trimming. The one I just got recently bloomed and the disappeared very quickly.

Also a tip incase you have to have someone feed again. This works for flake food. Get some small envelopes and put enough food for each day in each one. Then tell who ever is watching the tank to only put one envelope in at a time no matter what. This way you still dose the food.


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Robyn,

Yeah, that may happen, flowers may decide that it is too wet outside . Wait a while and as long as it is not starting to disintegrate you can keep it without any issues.

Rick's tip is good. I have a different form of providing food for a "feeder". I use these one-week pill cases where each day is a separate chamber. They have even the beginning letters of the day imprinted, as such I am able to provide different foods for different days in the right order.

Ingo

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Hoping for some quick advice about my chain swords - they are one of my experimental plants on the right side of the tank (experimental due to low light). Anyway, they have taken off with a mind of their own, with little runners & new smaller plants - all going where I don't want them. To replant them, can I separate them fully (ie cut off the runners that link them together & then just plant them where I want them?

Thanks for advice.

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Yes, you can seperate each plant and replant where you want. Leave just a small amount of the runner on either side of the plant.

Nice to hear they are doing well for you. These are one of my favorite plants

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