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I looked around the web a little in search for what this pool sand is supposed to be and also found some Diatom stuff and some stuff with chemicals. I think I have to be careful picking the right one. I also saw mention of Silica "free" and such, I totally forgot for a moment that Sand = Silica = Diatoms.


The bag of sand I have just says - 'filtration sand' on the front and on the back it says - Ricci Bros. Sand Company, Port Norris, NJ 08349 - Not for industrial use

In other news, I did another 50% water change last night to remove some tannins, seems to be much brighter in the tank than when I did the same thing two days earlier
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You could also use Purgien I think, but water change will do the same thing.

During that process, I found all 6 Otos, although I counted only 5 even with all hardscape and plants removed from the tank during the redo. I wonder where that one guy was hanging out during that process, as I inspected each and every plant/wood that was removed/added.


That's funny because I was able to count 6 otos in my 72g the other day. I noticed they were all hanging together and I hadn't done a water change in a while. I believe they hang together during stressful situations and I thing it was high co2 levels. I noticed that the flow looked very strong coming off the diffusor.


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Thanks tetratech for the info on the sand, I will check into that.

Also, it would cost me a fortune to fill my 2 filters with purigen, LOL. Honestly though, I am way too lazy to open up my filters and mess with the media, which would mean that I have to remove some of the existing media to place something else in, and that would mean cleaning, and what not.

Otos hanging out together seems to me to be part of their daily routine. We know that they are social animals and as such it doesn't surprise me that they have a meeting once in a while per day. Albeit you may be on to something with the CO2, it could also simply be that there is a certain pattern to their social habits, like "let's discuss the day after dinner" kind of thing.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 88

This week has seen two additional water changes, on Monday and on Wednesday. It wasn't so much about tannis from the new wood were bugging me, but I was a little concerned with enough light hitting the plants.

Here is the tank from a week ago, as a comparison:

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And here is the tank now this week.

You may notice the slightly brighter color of plants and water column, a result of less tannins.

I also dug out some of the substrate in the open "river" section. Growth overall is ok, but not really strong.

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One of the plants that had really slowed down in the growth is the Cuba, but its new growth form is more submersed. Leaf node gaps are really small, the leaves are very narrow, all as it should be. But, compared to last weeks growth of quite a few inches, this week has seen maybe one inch.

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The last and next picture have been taken during the water change, btw.

I was wondering if this plant is a heavy root feeder and I remembered that I put some plant sticks in the gravel when I initially planted them. Now, having been relocated, they were no longer "over" these sticks, so I added two more yesterday.

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The next two shots are some closer looks at tank areas from different angles. First is the look at the section in front of the wood and to the right of it.

Here you can see a sword (smaller sword type, forgot name) getting used to submersed growth, some pearl grass, and a bunch of crypts, namely wendtii and lucens (or lutea, always get them confused):

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Next is a look at the 3 sticks to the right, with plants in front and back and in between and on it, LOL. Also, some of the rocks that I added there are showing.

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Next up is a series of 3 shots trying to make the best of the tree trunk in a sense on showing you its details.

Here is a shot from the section above the big hole, with a branch coming off it on the left (with Nana Petites on it), some pennywort growing over it, and a hole just below the latter. Holes are everywhere on this wood, connecting front and back.

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Here is the best shot I got so far from the big hole/gap that I got so far, I guess I need a fancy flash to show it better.

Also, note yet another hole on the right.

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Last of the wood shots is higher up, with an Oto on some wood with ripples.

I hope it gives you an idea that this is not just a chunk of wood but some wood with character

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The last two shots are commited to the newest additions to the tank, 10 Amano shrimp. They have been in the QT (with about 20 others) for the last two weeks and were added to this tank last night.

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As they are rather juvenile shrimp of maybe 1 inch, I was a little concerned about them being eaten by the Apisto male in general.

After adding them I kept an eye open for him, but he seemed to be more focussed on chasing them away. The female Apisto, on the other hand, appeared more in the mood of stalking them. It seems like she would like to take a bite, we will see.

That is it for now,

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What a surprise this morning,

After finding a dead shrimp in the 40G, I went to look if I can find any of the 10 in this tank. Well, I found overall 6, and that is pretty good, given the tank size and number of invisible spots in the tank.

But the good, I may say shocking, news are a branch that was left in the tank as it was overgrown with the needle fern on the right side of the tank. That branch was full of hair algae, about half an inch long threads were covering the entire lenght of about 5 to 6 inches. Well, this morning it was totally clean. I cannot show it in a picture as it is in the midst of the fern, so you have to take my word for it. These shrimp, by the time I checked 5 had moved on to the heater behind the wood, sure can eat their share of fluff, wow.

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Very nice shots of the tank, as usual, Ingo.

So, would you say the amanos are better at algae eating then the cherry reds?

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So, would you say the amanos are better at algae eating then the cherry reds?

Oh, I could have told you that even without the feast that happpened last night. Both for sure are busy bees, but simply the size difference, an adult Amano is twice the size of a cherry shrimp, speaks for that.

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I'd say both are miracle workers. Pound for pound I'd say they work the same. You can probably get amanos cheaper.....but then the cherries sure are prettier. I move the nana petite over to the 5.5 for a cleaning......spotless.



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And Cherries have an advantage --> they reproduce

On the other hand, they also fit easier in the mouth of a hungry Apisto

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Very nice shot of the tank. I think the colors and contrast are great.

Glad you discovered shrimpsters. They'll definitely help keeping the main wood especially clean. I actually need some more for my 72g I think I only have 7 or 8.

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Hey tetratech,

For some reason, most of the regulars are no longer frequenting my low tech tanks, as such I assume you haven't seen today's update there yet.

I think there is a threshold on how many shrimpsters a tank can handle before they start to munch on the plants. Two weeks of 30 juveniles in the 20G was enough to clean the entire tank and then some --> namely the eating of my Najas indica, nice thin juicy leaves .

I am not certain if I wish to have more than 10 in the 125G, given that the Otos would like to have something to eat as well.

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I am not certain if I wish to have more than 10 in the 125G, given that the Otos would like to have something to eat as well.
I do not see a problem with my shrimp eating plants but I wonder if their population explosion has resulted in my missing Otos. I am 99% sure I am down to one from five. My shrimp on the other hand are doing great. I still have 4-5 Amanos and a ton of Cherries. My guess is that the shrimp ate the food and the Otos didn't have enough left. The solo Oto seems pretty happy though.

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Wings,

Good point, I actually up to this weekend have never thought about shortage in food with regards to shrimp and Otos.

It sure makes sense that these two groups od species compete for similar foods, although there are for sure preferences that are not shared, I have never seen an Oto eat my hair algae and I have never seen a shrimp eat of the glass.

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I have never seen a shrimp eat of the glass.
Mine will walk the glass and eat off of it at times. Lately they have been on the plants at the surface of the tank. I think they may like flakes I feed the fish...

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Mine will walk the glass and eat off of it at times. Lately they have been on the plants at the surface of the tank. I think they may like flakes I feed the fish...


You must have some really nasty, stringy algae on your glass. I could see those shrimp swinging like Tarzan from one algae string to the next.

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I've seen that as well, Wings.

I've never seen Amanos go after the long stringy stuff already there, they seem to eat it as it grows. So to me it means that the hair algae is just starting to form on the glass, which is kind of like a warning bell that something is off. They let you know that algae is forming where it shouldn't before you can even see it.


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I still have 4-5 Amanos and a ton of Cherries. My guess is that the shrimp ate the food and the Otos didn't have enough left.
Hmm, just as I thought I will try to hunt for some of these shrimpsters, now I just don't know. I like my otos, very very much. They are the acrobats of the tank.

Also, would the shrimpster be quick enough & bold enough to eat guarded apisto eggs or fry?

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Robyn,

I think the balance that needs to be achieved would allow for sure for a handful of Otos and shrimp, in particular if the latter are Amanos as they will not reproduce for sure.

About eating Apisto fry: I can see that, depending on the specifics. Shrimp can be rather fast, using a burst to get out of harms way. if the mother/father are not tight guardsmen then some eggs can easily become shrimp food.

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I agree with LF, that given the opportunity the Amanos or maybe even the Cherries would steal the eggs and have a nice brunch with them. If you ever drop an algae wafer into a tank with Amanos, it's hilarious as the Amano hold the wafer as the fish chase it around the tank.



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Funny that you mentioned the wafer. I used to feed the Cories in my 20G a sinking wafer that I broke into 4 pieces. Once I added the Amanos to the tank there was no chance for the Cories to grab a piece, the Amanos rushed to them before the Cories could even blink and dragged them off to safer grounds to chew away

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So I had a little time today and paid a visit to the pool shop. Yup, I found Pool Fiter Sand, but it is unacceptable. It pretty much is as fine as Play Sand, as such way too find in comparison with the tank's ordinary gravel that makes up the rest of the substrate. I know exactly what this would lead to, namely:

Me putting in the Pool Fiter Sand, then realizing that it is nice but somehow doesn't match the other gravel, and then replacing the other gravel as well.

No way in hell I am going to do this though (well, not within the next few months, there it would be time for a redo anyway )

So, the search for a light colored inert substrate of larger grain size is still on,

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So I had a little time today and paid a visit to the pool shop. Yup, I found Pool Fiter Sand, but it is unacceptable. It pretty much is as fine as Play Sand, as such way too find in comparison with the tank's ordinary gravel that makes up the rest of the substrate. I know exactly what this would lead to, namely:


I'm confused. Sand is going to be finer grain than the gravel. What't the problem?

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Tetratech,

The way I see it, the substrates would clash too much. The gravel with its size of maybe 1/2 inch would start to look like boulders next to the pool filter sand. I have no doubt that I would like the sand, but it most likely would mean that I have to replace the gravel to match the sand, avoiding such a clash. If I had the densest of all jungles then the gravel would not be visible anyway, but I think the current layout of the tank will always reveal some substrate.

Makes sense?

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 89

This week has seen no water changes during the week, although I was very tempted to have at least one, because of the tannis from the new wood. But by no means was it as bad as last week.

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And here is the tank right after the water change, before any goodies were added (equilibrium, baking soda, and ferts).

As you can see, the tank seems much whiter.

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Growth in the tank was ok, some plants grew more than others.

For example, the Najas indica on the right grew very well and needed to be trimmes. Here is a close-up before trimming:

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The Pennywort on the left grew very well too, also needed a trimming as the plant reached the surface and started to block the water lettuce from freely flowing across the surface.

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The plant that did not grow too well was the 'Cuba'.

Here is a shot from above made during the water change. One can clearly see the different leaf shape between the tops (submersed form) and the lower parts (emersed form):

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The difference becomes even more obvious when viewed from the side. One can see that the top 2 inches of most stems show how the plant is supposed to look like. But, these 2 inches is all I got so far, from a plant that is supposed to grow really fast (and it did in the first week after being added). I assume that the emersed parts of the stems have used up their stored energy.

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Last shot for this round, another full tank shot taken last night, about 10 hours after the water change. The tank is getting more tannins already, albeit the comparison to the previous picture is not fair as only the 2 10,000Ks are on in this picture.

That's it for now,

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I think the tank looks really good. The wood definitely adds dimension, focus, contrast and the overall tank is crisper. Again I don't think the Anubias is a good corner plant, but I think you know that.

The tops of your cuba, look like my L.Aromatica when it's not growing well.

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Ingo the tank looks sensational as always , the tannins from the wood are not all that noticable from the pics.

I'm reluctant to comment on the scape other than to say that I love the beach/ river theme ( I wonder why )

I think I agree with the idea of a lighter substrate in that area , maybe not sand just a finer pale gravel .

Anyway just my 2c for what its worth. Love this tank and the photos look great .
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Again I don't think the Anubias is a good corner plant, but I think you know that.

Well then tetratech, how about if I put it all the way to the right of the tank, between the glass and the fern? And at least for the time being keep the left side a little lower?

I'm reluctant to comment on the scape

Garry, don't be! Any input is welcome, I can handle it when people tell me that this or that is not what they really like. Hey, what is the worst? I can always ignore the judgment and pay a price for it later

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Well then tetratech, how about if I put it all the way to the right of the tank, between the glass and the fern? And at least for the time being keep the left side a little lower?
Isn't that still a corner? You guys from Jersey

P.S. I drove to Plainsboro, NJ yesterday. Fun trip, especially with the increased traffic from the P.R. Day Parade.

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Isn't that still a corner? You guys from Jersey

See, that is why you have the tank of the month and not I

Somehow, I got hung up on the left corner, ignoring that you were speaking of corners in general.

I guess that means that you actually cannot see a place for the large barteri anywhere in the tank, right?

And yes, I stay away from the Metro Area whenever there is some kind of Parade

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See, that is why you have the tank of the month
Your probably right.

I guess that means that you actually cannot see a place for the large barteri anywhere in the tank, right?
It's size is the problem, so I think the only solution would be to keep it as small as possible and put it somewhere off-center near big wood.

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It's size is the problem


Honestly, I was contemplating of not adding it back into the tank when I did the last redo for exactly that reason. But attachments to this plant, as it has grown so well for me, kept me from disposing of it in some form (either throw it out or give it to some NJAGC members as a trade in).

What already seems like a large plant is actually only 4 of the original 12 equal sized "clippings" that I created a while back when I had to cut up the one mother Barteri as it was getting way too large for the last layout.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 90

Well, this week had seen the death of one group of plants, the cubans. One could see it deteriorate by the day. Here is a shot from Friday showing part of the group. You can see that only the tops are in submersed growth form, and that little part is the result of three weeks:

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A closer look reveals that some of the heads are actually dying off at the spot between old emersed and new submersed growth. Here is a look at one stem on Friday night starting to bend over:

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And here is a look at the same stem from Saturday morning, all bent out of shape. By that time, 2 other stems had lost the tops completely, two more had brown tops, and a few others were still hanging in.

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Having not changed ferts, even having Seachem fert sticks under the plants, having not changed the ligh duration, the culprit seems to be the light as it is reaching the plant. The pictue below shows what I mean. This water is taken from the middle of the water column, no gunk or such was added. The tannins, I assume from the large wood, make the tank tea colored and greatly reduce the light that reaches the plants. Cubans do need quite some light, I have seen shots of some that have come in the same delivery batch than mine under 6wpg in a 75G or so, and they are beautiful.

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And that was that for them in this tank, currently the few survivors part of a rescue mission in the 40G, updates there later.

Oh, at the same time when I took the shot of the bending head I also caught the Wisteria waking up, top still closed:

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So, to counteract the tannins, at least for a day or two, I performed 2 50% water changes, with about a 1 hour break between them to clean the 2028 filter. Here is the full tank after the second water change:

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As you can see, the spot of the Cubans has been reclaimed by Narrow Leaf Java Fern. I had them in a bucket ever since the replant, replacing the water every week with "fresh" tank water. I am glad now that I didn't throw them out or gave them away.

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Another thing that the careful observer may have seen in the full tank shot is a change in how the "river" looks like. I received some plants during the week and basically parked them in the river. I kinda like it, so it will be parked for a little longer. This are 20 !!!! Nana Petites on 2 sticks.

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Here is another impressionist shot of the same area, as you may notice the male Apisto has been in both shots. The Apistos like that area as the female often slips into a personal gap in the big wood.

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Here is a closer look at the male, albeit not the best I ever took. I am glad that at least for one day I was able to view him without the tannins as they make him look rather pale and yellowish:

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The next two shot are typical (at least in my tank) courtship pictures. Male and female apisto take turns swimming in front of each other, or better said stand in front of each other. Then the one in front folds up the tail and slaps the other in the face with it

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Here is the reverse with the female slapping the male. As you can see, she is really folding up that tail fin. I once have seen the male actually bite her in the fin during this courtship, and pulling her backwards, but no damage was done, no piece was missing.

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Last but not least, the official tank shot for week 90, taken yesterday in the evening. I have to say that I value this shot very much, it has been a few weeks since the green in this tank appeared as lush as it did without the load of tannins.

I only hope that the tannis will wear down soon, I am not ready to counteract with Purigen yet as it would mean that I have to remove other media from the filer to make space for it.

Thanks for looking,

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Hi Ingo

Hope the tannins settle down for you. Those 2 water changes must been a bit of an effort. the new nanas look good in the river area. I also really enjoyed the "tail slapping" antics of your apistos. Very cute. Mine have never done that.

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also really enjoyed the "tail slapping" antics of your apistos


Thanks Robyn for the input and comments.

My Cacs in the 40G have shown a similar slapping thing as here, but by far less often and only half hearted. Well, we all know what kind of a looser the male in that tank is though

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Hi L_F,
now I dare to give you a bit of input. First of all, great update as always!
I have to say that I do like the 'light breakfast tea color' of the tank but that is just me and I realize your concerns about diminished light penetrating and affecting light sensitive plants. Anyway, here it goes: IMHO one of the nicest plants in this tank is the Alternanthera and this group appears a bit diminished in the most recent pic. Overall, the addition of more Java fern to replace the ailing Cuban creates a bit of a 'curtain look'. A great addition is the group of nanas in the foreground as they create a focal point that is missing in this section 9the forefront of the tank) a bit. The wisteria is nice but it gives the appearance of a nicely trimmed English lawn (fish golf? ). I am thinking a minor interruption in form of another 'hole' or a smaller rock would be nice?

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now I dare to give you a bit of input.

How dare you criticize my tank!



Just kidding, of course,

Your input is much appreciated, here is the breakdown of your comments and my response:

- "great update as always!" - Thank you very much .
- "and I realize your concerns about diminished light ..." - Brown water is not my favorite, I like it clear better. I received quite some compliments during the last NJAGC meeting at my place when all members were astonished how clear my tanks are (were, in case of this tank, for the time being).
- "one of the nicest plants in this tank is the Alternanthera" - I couldn't agree more, and guess what --> growth of this plant stopped with tea water as well. Another reason why tea water is not so good.
- "creates a bit of a 'curtain look'." - I take it you mean that in a "not-so-good" way, and here I agree as well. My options were a) add the plants I have or b) leave a big open hole. Being a preacher of "stuff the tank" I would never leave a spot open that is not in the design as open. I have that fern on some wood and when it is time to fill the area with some other plant it will take about 5 seconds to remove the entire replacement group.
- "A great addition is the group of nanas ..." - Yeah, it is , and I actually had these planned for another tank that is undergoing its make-over in my head right now. I think I will remove them from this tank once I have made up my mind and find time for the makeover though. Just thinking of the market price for 20 Nana Petites and consider me buying a replacement to maintain these in this tank makes me shiver.
- "the appearance of a nicely trimmed English lawn" - what would be wrong with Hyde Park? Where would you suggest the hole?

Thanks so much for the input, much appreciated,

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I was bored, so I manned the camera, attached the macro lens, and took a few shots. Nothing special came up though, with one exception being the last of these 3 shots that I am going to present.

Number one would be the No 1 in the tank, the Male Apisto:

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Next up would be:

Yes - I do have snails in the tank, but few and between. A sign of proper feeding, good plant health, and enough predators.

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Last but not least, when I was about to put the camera away, I saw this. An Amano on top of the glass below the light, roasted

He must have jumped out in the small open area in the back part of the top where the filter flows are entering the tank.

Who would have thought!

That's it,

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Sorry for the shrimp and thanks for the education - I will disapprove of tea water in the future as well . It never entered my mind that this could be detrimental to the Alternanthera. What I meant with the lawn reference: the right side of the tank (foreground) appears very uniform with the Wisteria covering the gravel entirely. I was thinking that a small group of a different plant (nothing tall!) or a rock could create another focal point to disrupt this. Just a thought and there is nothing wrong with Hyde Park
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Guess I've been lucky I've never had that happen to any of my shrimp, although I guess they could have jumped out and fell behind the tank unknown to me.

Tank looks good as I said I like the big wood focus, but I think you could still build more midground around and make it more natural looking.

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Makes sense catdancer, I will think about what can be done.

tetratech - the midground is in the makings, it just has to grow . There are about 15 crypts on the right of the wood, in front of the area where the cubans were. And some other plants in smaller numbers as well. Maybe I will also use the pearl grass further back.

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Ingo , your Photographic skills never cease to amaze me.Wish I could get my macro lens to perform like that ?!

I showed your Pics of this tank to a few friends last night and they were blown away . It continues to look fantastic

However , a couple of points .
I actually think the removal of the cubans is a good thing. IMHO they looked out of place .

The Anubias in the river to me spoil the look of it and the black area behind and underneath the driftwood . I think that area creates focus and depth .
It certainly draws the eye into mysterious interior
and if I were you I'd be reluctant to clutter it up .

I'm sorry to hear about your Shrimp .

Keep up the great work , Well done again
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Hey LF. I gotta say I'm in the same opinion as you about tannins. I like a bright tank. It's a bit unnatural to have perfectly clear water in a planted setting I guess, but brown water just screams water change to me.

I like the look of this setup so far but I think there needs to be a bit more midground. I feel like there is a wall of stems and fern behind the carpet. Could just be the head on angle the picture was taken though. I know how hard it would be to get a decent angle shot of a 6 foot tank, and front on shots tend to be the most informative as well, so I'm not blaming you there.

I have to say the nana petites are a wee bit unnatural looking there, but still nice. I guess it won't matter either way since they will be moving. And I sure am jealous about 20 nana petites.



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Ingo,

This latest revision of the tank is looking very nice. As always I love watching this tank evolve from one layout to the next.

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Thanks guys for the input, and constructive criticism ,

Yeah yeah, everybody want everything right away

Now that I have become a preacher of patience , I cannot go ahead and move things around constantly. Time, my children, time will change things .

Well, you get my point. I am with you on many things you have said, and that includes tetratech's Nana barteri comment, but I redid the tank and used what I had to set it up. A major advantage, IMHO btw, because none of the plants were stressed from shipping or different water conditions.

This is the great thing about such a redo. just like in the last one, you start of somewhat rugged, but over time you adjust little things here and there, and voila, the tank looks better and better. Once all is done, meaning you reached the limits of your talents for the current scape, you start all over again

I think the master would be very proud of me right now, but I have to assume that half of the readers here don't even know who I would be referring to

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, much much appreciated,

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Yeah yeah, everybody want everything right away
Hasn't this tank been around like two years.

I think the master would be very proud of me right now, but I have to assume that half of the readers here don't even know who I would be referring
Oh stop, your making me blush

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Oh stop, your making me blush

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Otherwise, I am speechless

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 91

Not much happened during the week with this tank. The tannins are not as bad but still cause growth issues, the thread with which I strung some Anubias Nana Petites on the spread out branches came off and some floated about the tank.

I did a 75% water change (wanted to do 2 x 50%, but got caught up in the Bolbitis removal in the 40G).

That's it, gotta go,

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Ingo , Tank looks fantastic as usual . I see the Anubias are still on the river . .

You are obviously busy , but thats the shortest update I've ever seen from you .

Hope everything is all right

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Thanks Garry, here is another short one

Weekly Tank Update - Week 92

Nothing special happened this week, just very busy at work and such. I think I see some visible growth for the first time since the makeover, the tannins are still there but maybe weaker.

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And here is the tank a few hours after the water change. It is quite a bit brighter I think. Pearl Grass and Alternanthera show the growth from a week ago, everything else is the same old,

K, I will follow the entries in all other logs, but I am short on my time and as such will not be able to contribute too much,

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Looks good LF. Looks to me like your alternanthera grew the most .

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Ingo , Looks like the tannins are abating , certainly looks a lot lighter in the photos .
Your right I don't think I've ever seen this tank with less growth .

Hope work lightens up for you .
Its very quiet around here without your fascinating posts to read

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Thanks guys for the input

Weekly Tank Update - Week 93

Not much happened during the week, tannis are still there and hinder the growth. I also think now that the removal of the gunk in the substrate may slow down new growth as I took away some plant food.

One of the Rainbows has an injured pectoral fin but seems otherwise fine. Nana petites are one after the other coming off the wood as the thread is disintegrating too early.

I ran out of CO2 within two weeks of hooking up a new 10lbs bottle and I think I cannot get a seal anymore. What do you guys do to keep a seal? Tetratech - do you have a perma seal?

Enough for now,

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I use plumbers tape to help create a tight seal.

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Yeah, I second that. Great shot with the espei in front the wood!

If you mean betwen the cylinder and the regular I use teflon tape. Haven't had any leak problems yet.

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Thanks guys for the Espei comments and the tips on the regulator.

The guys at the welding shop explicitly stated that no teflon tape should be used between the regulator and the cylinder as the brass part of the regulator will seal very tight. I think my problem is with the white plastic fitting on the foot of the regulator and that this part is no longer capable of a tight seal. I used to use a common gray washer between the white seal and the cylinder but I was informed that the doubling up of seals (white and gray) would for sure cause a leak (and so it did the last time around).

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They just say that because they don't like to remove the tape when someone brings the cylinder back. I can't imagine it does any harm. I've had problems with the one at work with no teflon tape, but not at home. We use the same type of regulator and everything.

I also use just the one white washer that came with the regulator instead of doubling up. Hopefully the leak is at the threads, where you can do something about it and not at the seams of the other parts. Use a soapy water solution to find the leak next time. Bubbles!



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Ingo , Great shot as always , how many Harleys do you have now BTW.
Another quick question if you don't mind .
What is the plant in the back left ?

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EditedEdited by LITTLE_FISH
Thanks guys again for the input on the leak, it seems like it holds the pressure this time so I am not going to touch it now (of course when I come home from work it will be empty now that I said that )

Garry - to your questions:

* how many Harleys do you have now
Actually, this are not Harleys, this are Espei, Trigonostigma espei. I currently have about 25 left, but you may know from this log that I once had about 100. About 60 had been traded off and about 15 died so far of probably old age. This fish is my specialty - go and check the August 2006 issue of TFH for details.

* What is the plant in the back left?
Hm, in the way left is a group of cut up Anubias barteri of which I had a huge plant in the left center of the tank in my last layout. Right next to it is some Pennywort climbing up and over.

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first off awesome tank. i drool with envy every time i see it. but one question, in the last pic posted i see plant mass at the top of the water. is this floating plants or just a reflection

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first off awesome tank. i drool with envy every time i see it. but one question, in the last pic posted i see plant mass at the top of the water. is this floating plants or just a reflection

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sodaaddict84,

There is a plant type on the surface, it is commonly know as Water Lettuce, aka Pistia stratiotes I think. It is a really fast grower and needs to be thinned out weekly to avoid too much shading and it is a highly dangerous weed in nature (killing entire water ways). It is though an excellent nutrient sucker.

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Not much happened during the week, so here is a full tank shot showing the few things that did happen during the weekly maintenance:

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As tetratech will notice right away, the Barteri group on the left is gone, he wore me down

In its place I added a collection of Najas indica stems that I had grown in the 29G and in various spots of this tank. I also trimmed some of the pearl grass and spread that out into the left side as well.

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Although the last shot was for the Najas, the Espei seemed to have found there a new hangout spot.

So here is a shot showing the Espei a little more in focus:

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The focus are of the tank, currently hosting the "Nana Petites on a Stick" is not so focussed anymore. The disintegrating string made quite a few of them come loose and I simply stuck them into the open substrate. That is where they will stay until I put them wherever they will end up for good.

Also, greetings from the Apistos:

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The last picture for now shows the highly unorganized area to the right of the large driftwood, an area that I may "clean" a little during next weeks maintenance. For now it has to do.

And that is it for this week,

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Oh my lord I haven't been here in AGES and your tank still looks amazing!

I want to come and live at your house Little Fish!

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GFG

Long time no see, glad you are still peaking in once in a while. Thanks for the compliments, the tank is just starting to settle after its latest LITTLE_FISH style redo and things are looking up by now (slowly).

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As tetratech will notice right away, the Barteri group on the left is gone, he wore me dow


No comparison, so much better and that Naja was a really nice choice for the left side. Great shot with the Espei swimming past.

I think you need to tighten up (bunchier and shorter) the red group and it will look more organized on the middle right.

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I think you need to tighten up (bunchier and shorter) the red group and it will look more organized on the middle right.

I am all the way with you on this one, tetratech

But given that the last redo was only like 4 or 5 weeks back I decided to take it slow and do one area per week max. So the red group section will be done maybe next weekend, if time permits. I am planning on moving (and of course trimming) the alternanthera to the right of the large driftwood, the spot currently occupied in the back by the narrow leaf fern. And that fern would move to the right of that alternanthera group, for the time being, until I feel comfortable to replace it with something else (was meant to be the cuba stems, darn).

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Well that makes perfect sense, the slow redos, I couldn't agree more. Wow we are really agreeing on alot.

BTW - Spent the weekend in Albany at the Empire Cup where my son's soccer team beat some Jersey Elite Select Team.


Just thought I'd throw that in there!

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Ingo , as always your sense of whats right for your scape is spot on .
The Naja is a favorite of mine and it should look senastional when its fully grown .
I agree with Tetra on the comment about the red group , it would look fantastic if it stood out more .
Can't wait to see what you do there .

I see that the Nana's are still in the river
Still think it detracts from the effect .

Great shot of the Apisto's BTW .

The thought of you doing things slowly gives me faith that I also may be able to change in the future
As always a pleasure to read your logs .
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where my son's soccer team beat some Jersey Elite Select Team.





Yeah, I sometimes have the patience to wait with my changes.

Garry, the nanas will stay there until I have the time to redo the tank where they will eventually end up in, and that is going to be a while.
The Najas will soon start to be a problem as they grow so fast that they will be blown over by the small power head and the spray bar very soon. Frequent trimming will be a must.

Thanks for the positive comments,

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 95

I don't have too much time, but I will try to catch up with all your threads maybe on Monday at work, so for now just a quick update on this tank:

Here is the tank before the water change:

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As you may see, the Najas on the left is truly a fast grower, I doub't that I will keep it all that long in the high tech tank, way too fast.

In this close-up you can also the the diffuser on the left. I tried to clean it during the water change and what can I say, it slipped out of my hands into the sink and crash - 1000 pieces . I am glad I had a replacement one handy, same kind.

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Here is a shot showing the amount of Water Lettuce that I remove weekly, this is on the top of a 5G bucket lit. In comparison, these are 5" tweezers on the left:

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After the water change I added another 9 Amanos from the 20G QT, there are now around 4 left in that tank. I was worried about the Apistos in this tank with the Amanos, and albeit I never see all od the 8 or 10 that I added a few weeks ago I see at least a few of them.

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Last but not least, a full tank shot after the water change. You may notice that I moved things around a little in the area to the right of the big wood, nothing special though and for sure not the final design (nothing is final anyway).

That's it for now,

Have fun,

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Beautiful as always, L_F,
but what is going on with A. reineckii? It is still a small group. Is it still affected by 'black water' as you suggested several weeks ago?
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To me it looks wider, and not as tall. Must be doing some growing to get a trimming.

Looks great LF. I had similar problems with my water lettuce.



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No design or scape is ever final with you Ingo . Or me either for that matter .
I like what you've down on the right , and I'm sure you will improve it further yet .
The Tank looks very good as always .

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Hey Ingo,

Yeah I know what you mean about the Najas, sounds like the stargrass that grows so fast it only fits in for about 15 minutes until you have to trim. One of those plants I guess you use in a photo op when the timing is right, but not practical to keep long-term.

Tank looks very good. Tough to see any small changes in a full-tank shot since it's a 5-foot tank.

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This is turning into my favourite all time look for this tank. Very nice LF

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Wow, that looks AMAZING!!

How much time do you spend on it every week, would you say? I'm guess it takes a bit of work...
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Haven't visited your thread in a while, ingo, but man, looking good .
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Not you. The tank.
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LOL,

Really funny Cup, glad you like the looks of my tank better than mine, haha. Thanks for the compliment.

I am a little in a rush, but here are a few answers to the previous posts:

- catdancer - Matty is right, the Alternanthera had been trimmed when I moved them.
- Matty - Thanks.
- tetratech - Thanks for the compliment on the tank. I can't believe though that you don't remember that this is a 6' tank and not 5', LOL.
- Robyn - thanks so much.
- fishnewbie - These days I spend about 5 min feeding and ferting per day, and between 2 to 4 hours of maintenance on one day of the weekend, usually Saturday, on the tank.

Next post is a quick weekly update,

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 96

Not much going on, very good so as I don't have any time anyway.

Overall, the tannis are lessening, and plant growth is fine. I forgot to mention last week that I replace the two 6,700K PCs with new one, I somehow think the old ones were almost two years on the tank.

I did only minor trimming this weekend, one group of pearl grass and the Najas Indica.

That's it for now,

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If you get a chance next week while taking pics, I'd like to see some closer shots on the tank, like in thirds or something for more detail. It's a little hard to tell what's going on separate from the whole. In that aspect, however, it does look good.

Were the 2 year old bulbs the ones that run all day or only for a short burst?

My short burst bulb is probably 2ish years old now and I don't see too much problem with that. I'd want to replace the one that's on all day at a year.



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Ingo , I agree with Matty .
I know you're busy but a few more detail shots would be great .

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Hi,
I have two CFs on my tank. One is on for 10hours/day and
the second for only 4 hrs/day. When I replace them, I
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Love the tanks ingo, keep up the good work

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Thanks guys for the input, detail shots have to wait until I have more time and until the last remains of the tannins are gone and growth is back to normal. Until then:

Weekly Tank Update - Week 97

All looks ok, nothing special going on in the tank. By now I have found 3 shrimp outside the tank, dead of course. Inside the tank I cannot find even one of the about 20 that I added overall. Probably went into the category "food".

That's it for now, will also post a shot of the 20 and 29,

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no more updates?

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All looks ok, nothing special going on in the tank. By now I have found 3 shrimp outside the tank, dead of course. Inside the tank I cannot find even one of the about 20 that I added overall. Probably went into the category "food".


Amanos are pretty crazy shrimp. As you probably have noticed they can walk around on dry/slightly wet surfaces. Most other shrimp I have had to net don't do that. When I put all my cherries in the little tank along with my Amanos, the Amanos came up missing. One was found in the back of the filter but the rest where gone. I am guessing they tried to relocate. I never did find any bodies either...

BTW I am in NC now. The move was not fun. I will explain later if you want some of the details.

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no more updates?


Sure, more updates to come, but I have been in the home country for almost 2 weeks and just got back this weekend.

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(Almost) Weekly Tank Update - Week 99

As mentioned, I have been away and the neighbor took care of feeding and fert adding. Went pretty well, the tank sure showed some growth. In particular the Najas indica was all over the tank as the strands got too long and floated around and got stuck in the other plants.

Here is today's shot, after the trimming, nothing special:

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I hope ya had a good time in the home country, we missed ya updates my friend. Tank is looking good. Glad nothing went wrong while you were gone.

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Ingo , welcome home . We certainly missed you around here . Hope you had a nice trip and glad to see everything went well with the Tank.
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Thanks all, now I am late again as I spent the weekend on the beach and have to do the updates today:

Weekly Tank Update - Week 100

Not such a special week, and I have one shot only anyway, no time for more.

Not much changes, one already bad looking Rainbow is MIA, I think he went to fish heaven (and belly of others).

I trimmed the Alternanthera and the pesky Najas indica, and that was it, plus water change of course.

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What did you do with the beautiful Alternanthera? The little red bush looked so nice.
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Weekly Tank Update - Week 101

catdancer - The Alternanthera is still there, it just needs some trimming once in a while and when that is done, like last week, then it is not visible for a while.

The tank has finished its hosting of the Nana Petites for the 29G - that tank is redone now (go check if you haven't yet). So the sticks and plants are out from the opening, Pearl grass has been trimmed (pieces are also in 29), and that was that, besides the water change.

Here is the tank today,

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Tank is doing well i see Ingo, Glad to see the Alternanthera is comming back.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 102

Thanks fishmonster for the input.

Not much happened to this tank this week as well, just some minor trimming and the planting of some baby swords (previously at the shoot on the sword in front of the Alternanthera) in the open valley. All is getting a little messy by now, ferns start to shade the anubias to the point that they die off. Trimming needs to be done, but I have no time for it.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 103

Nothing happened, a little trimming here and there, and that was that, LOL.

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Your tank is starting to look pretty wild. I understand the lack of time thing. The Brazilian Penny Wart looks pretty neat. I am tempted to try it in my set up. I feel like I need a few stems in it.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 104

First of all, thanks for the input, Wings

Fish in the tank are getting less and less as I let the group of Espei die out. I think it is an old age thing as these guys are with me for up to 2 years now. I wait until the group is really small, then I may actually replace the substrate in the tank. This way I don't have to store too many fish in other tanks.

On to the weekly thing, not much happened. Just some minor trimming and a water change.

Here is the shot,

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From here, I really like the look of what's going on in the center/just left of center. I'd like to see what's going on there in some detail. Looks very neat. Nice and healthy.



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Ingo , yes I agree with Matty , a detailed look at all parts of this tank would be fantastic,
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Fish in the tank are getting less and less as I let the group of Espei die out.

Uhm, I thought the espei are breeding in this tank and this way should replemish the pool of younger fish or did I miss something?
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Interesting about the fish. I wonder why that's happening. Probably because your not a beginner anymore

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Probably because your not a beginner anymore


No, that is not the reason, although I actually was hoping that I went from beginner to intermediate like about a year ago.

I simply want to reduce the hassle if I should decide to do an all-out makeover.

The Espei have been breeding in this tank with great success, but since adding the Apistos and Rainbows less and less fry made it to adulthood. Apistos are excellent hunters for small stuff, they stalk the food first and then shoot forward.

Also, over two years with the same large school is getting boring.

Detail shots - nah, not at the moment. I need to change quite a few things before I believe that details should be shown.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 105

Not much has changed this week in the tank, I did some minor trimming and a little more on the Pennywort which seems to have become too much (shading of other plants).

See, with all that stuff, I completely forgot that the tank celebrated its 2 year anniversary on the 24th of September. This means that tetratech's 72G is also 2 years old, congratulations!

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Wow! I can't believe you have had this tank for two years. It has gone through a ton of changes. Would you happen to have time to highlight the different stages for us?

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Ingo , And I read everone of those entries befor I started my Tank
Congrats on the anniversary .

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 106

Ok, based on popular demand, , I give you a quick review. I decided not to search for the prettiest pictures of the last 106 weeks, but to go strickly in 10 week intervals (with the exception of week 100, where I didn't even have a picture, there I selected the week earlier, 99)

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This is week 0, meaning the tank had just been set up:

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What can I say, it was a classic beginners layout, typical plants, and what not. AND OF COURSE NOT ENOUGH PLANTS.

So the next ten weeks were spent in algae control, adding and removing fast growers, and what not, LOL.

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By week 20, the tank has changed for the umptieth time already, I always had to mess with it. based on NowherMan6's suggestion I added some wood to the tank.

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I cannot believe that it is already over 85 weeks ago that I got this wood, time goes by when you are having fun (or you are busy).

By week 30, loads of Star Grass were growing in the tank, just to keep it stable. Maintenance meant trimming of this plant every other week, with the complete removal of the stems and throwing out the old bottoms. What a pain!

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Conceptually, week 40 saw still the same tank, the most stability ever since setup.

I added a few more plants, but the structure stayed.

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By week 50 I started playing with the scape a little again, trying to make it look somewhat good. I don't think it worked to well, but it kept me busy

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But not for too long, as by week 60 the Island layout was already established, .

I just now notice how much Alternanthera I had in there, and this gigantic Barteri.

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More plants have been added by week 70 and the island became more integrated with the rest of the tank. The Blyxa on the left is just floating up, it wasn't really that tall.

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Week 80 is still similar to week 70, another period in the life of this tank that hasn't seen too many changes in short sequence.
Note how much the needle leaf fern has grown in the last 20 weeks.

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Every period of rest (aka stabil tank) has a period of change (aka redo), that is the Ingo way of having many tanks in one box.

Week 90 saw the currently last major redo, with the addition of a giant chunk of wood and such.

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Not too much has changed then over the next 9 weeks, so here at week 99 things are still similar, with the exception of the removal of the last remains of the previously glorious Barteri (last shot on the way left).

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And last but not least, here is the tank today. Still very similar to the previous 19 weeks, I just don't have the time to rip it apart again. Or to actually scape this monster.

Hope you enjoyed the review,

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Thanks for posting all the pictures! It is pretty crazy how much our tanks change. My personal favorite is week 60. I think that it was a well designed layout.

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Ingo,

Thanks for showing the changes in the look of the tank over the two or so years you have had this going. Im glad that you and garry made me realise that putting both previous shots and new shots together you can really see the difference it makes each week or month.

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Ingo , Thank you , Thank you , Thank you . Like a trip down memory lane .
I actually love all the stages of this tank . I'm constantly amazed at how
good hardscape can disappear in even very well planned tanks . I must
admit that Wings choice is very stunning , I do like the island effect .
However my ( and I think yours as well ) constant need to meddle and try
new things means that the empty ( realitively) spaces get filled up in time .
Nothing wrong with that , its fun .
Can't wait to see what you do to change this scape in the future .

Thanks again for taking the time to do the review

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Thanks guys for the comments and your display of appreciation of the "Summary Effort"

Yeah, I for sure am not at a stage with this tank yet where I could give it a long rest and not bother messing with it, if it weren't for time limitations (need a whole day at least per makeover) and actually the concern of having fish. If I had no fish in this tank then I would redo it even more often as I would be able to take breaks during the process. And no, don't suggest that I could get holding tanks for the fish, I would get in trouble.

New ideas are forming in my head recently, but it is too early to speak them out loud.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 107

Not much maintenance has been done on the tank for yet another week, as such it is no wonder that it looks more and more like a jungle.

2 of my dwarf rainbows seem to reach the end of the line, similar to another one about 2 months ago. They are more or less just hanging and breath rather heavy. When this happens in small fish then it is usually a matter of days, but with the last rainbow it was an entire month. I will see.

Other, all is the same,

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New Ideas , Ingo , come on lets us in on your thoughts
Surely you can house your fish in one of your other tanks .
There not over stocked from what I can see.
I can feel the 'Ingo" style redo can't be far away .


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2 of my dwarf rainbows seem to reach the end of the line, similar to another one about 2 months ago. They are more or less just hanging and breath rather heavy. When this happens in small fish then it is usually a matter of days, but with the last rainbow it was an entire month. I will see.
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Weekly Tank Update - Week 108

Garry - it will take a while until an Ingo-Style make-over is coming up, I will have to change the 40G first and only then would find time for this one. Maybe within the next 5 months though.

Wings - My Rainbows (one died this week, 3 left and one looking poor) are about 2 years old. I do think that they don't have a long live span, at least not in my water settings. I have done no research though.

On to the tank:

I spent 3 hours on Saturday to get just the small left side in order, not really prettying it up, just making sure it does not become a total jungle. In particular the trimming/replanting of the HM took a looooong time. Next week I will try to do the mid/right section, but I am not sure if I will have the time for it.

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Ingo , sorry to hear about your Rainbow . Understand the time issue , Just wanted
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Ingo

Sorry about the rainbows man. I have seen some upclose and they are really interesting fish and have some awesome color. I do like this scape. Infact im at the opposite of garry on this one and I think you should leave as is.

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Ingo, this is what I found:

Life span of rainbow fish: depends a bit on what you really have but the average estimate is 3 to 5 years with the bigger ones like the Boesemani topping it. It also depends where the fish are coming from and how inbred they are (inbreeding is only good for color, otherwise ...) and the conditions they were raised in (food, hormones, etc). Another factor might be water temperature: some rainbows require rather high temperatures like discus, while others stay healthy at moderate tropical aquarium temperatures. I don't know which ones you have. The Baensch, part 2 has some nice listings

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 109

Thanks all for the input and concerns about the Rainbows. Claudia, I have Neon Dwarfs, as the name says they are small and as such probably on the shorter end of the lifespan scale. Another one is going to bite the dust rather sooner than later, but that is the way it is, we all have a limited lifespan.

Anyway, I was way too busy at work, I literally worked 26 hours straight (ok, I napped 20 min) into Saturday and as such found only time for the water change.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 110 and 111

Didn't have time to update last week, so here are both weeks. (seems like nobody cares anyway)

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And here is the tank this week. Don't worry about the plant group in the open spot in the front, it is "on hold" for trading at the next NJAGC meeting this week.

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Nice job, what species of Hydrocotyle do you have growing in there?
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(seems like nobody cares anyway)

Ingo , Oh we care . We're just waiting for something to happen .

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I think that we all know how busy you are.

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I bet it would look spectacular in person. I doubt the FTS give it justice. Too much going on to take in one shot.



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They say it's a lifestyle and this tank reflects Ingo's. Busy and wild with a sort of reckless abandon. I'm envious

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Terrible having to work such long hours but at least you get to come home to a really cool and peaceful looking tank. I can only dream of having a big tank all fully planted like that.
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Weekly Tank Update - Week 112 and Week 113

Thanks guys for the input.

You will have to live with FTSs for a while longer, I am just not in the groove to get the details all worked out, LOL.

Here is a shot from week 112, a week ago from today. As you can see, more of the same "Busy and wild with a sort of reckless abandon", right tetratech?



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And here is a shot from today, week 113.

As you may note, a few things on the right side have changes, I will let you do the detailed comparison.

Let's just say that "other changes" made me do it.

Have fun,

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The tank looks Gorgeous. I am new here so i don't have a lot of input. I like the look of all the the pictures i have been reading this thread for 2 days now. And i am going to steal some ideas from you.
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What did you do with all of your ferns? Are they going to the club? The right side looks much better. I am not sure what the other changes are though....

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Ingo , Very tidy , dare I say it a very different look on the right compared to the left . Still thats right up my alley so I love it .


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Weekly Tank Update - Week 114

Thanks guys for the input.

lotec25 - Welcome
Wings - I guess you figured out by now what the "other changes" are, aka 40G
Garry - thanks for being so patient and giving me your input although I shine with neglecting your thread

Otherwise, nothing new, didn't have the time to tidy up the left side, maybe some other week.

Here is the tank,

Have fun,

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Dang that's a stunning tank !
That last pic is great and it's interesting how you're almost back to that island thing except it's shifted over. The first island shot is my fave. I'm having a hard time finding needle-leaf java fern around here.

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Weekly Tank Update - Week 115

DaMossMan - hi there, long time no see

Actually, I think this tank resembles a Dutch layout the most of all my tanks, although not fully.

On to the uptate itself:

I did manage to put the left side of the tank into a more ordered layout, with new plants being Rotala clippings from the new 40G layout and Bolbitis from the old 40G layout, having been stored in a bucket with water for over 2 weeks. It is still rather small and may not take off at all, but we will see.

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I am aware that the middle section now needs to be "cleaned up", but I am not in a rush.

Here is a closer look at the left half,

Have fun,

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Little_Fish,

What are the red/green plants on the right and left side? i am looking for something like that for our 55 gallon to add some color to it.

Tank looks amazing i have been looking for a local aquarium group in my area still have not found one. I look how your tanks look just don't know if i want to run CO2 yet.

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LF,

The tank looks a lot better with the left side cleaned up. How many different plants do you have in there now? It seems to be getting to quite a few.

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Hi LF!

This is the first time i've seen your tank + log and lemme tell ya! It is Very Gorgeous. The closest thing im going to have to that is my Nano tank im setting up after christmas. This tank is an inspiration and i hope you keep it up!

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Thanks for a detailed shot LF, that is one whopper of an apisto in the front there. It's much easier to see what's going on the left side now. Looks great to me .



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Ingo , Ahhhh...our friend has reappeared ( I'm not game to use his name after your
comments in your 40 log). I must say this scape is now taking on a very different
aspect from the last few months . Could this be a new Ingo ... graudual change over
instant redo ... I don't believe it yet
Anyway enough fun I love the look, there is some focus again , but if I may be
permitted a small criticism...gulp... it still needs more IMO. Not sure what you have
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Weekly Tank Updates - Week 116 and 117

Thanks guys for the input, here are some answers to your questions:

lotec25 - Rob, the red plants on the left and right are Alternanthera reineckii, I hope that's the plant you meant. Yeah, a local club is a good thing, I hope you find one.

Wings - No idea how many plant species are in there, maybe around 15, but I am just guessing.

GobyFan2007 - What? This is the first time you see this log? How can one miss it? LOL - Thanks for the input and the compliments though, I hope it helps you with your setup.

Matty - The apisto is of course my male viejita II, the pride of this tank. He and his lady are truly beautiful fish and I am glad I bought them based on the advise received from a knowledged employee at the LFS, there they were all gray and sad looking, about 2 years ago.

Garry - Given that you have done a great job on your super-sized tank you are permitted to "a small criticism" any time . LOL. The reason for smaller changes on this tank rather than one monster change is very simple: TIME. It would take me way too long these days to redo the tank completely, but trust me, I have thought about it. At some point I may do this, but not now.

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Basically, I did nothing with regards to the plants over the last two weeks, instead I let it all settle. As such, this weekend's shot is the same than last weekend's, but with some plants showing some growth.

Thanks again for the input,

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Weekly Tank Updates - Week 118 and 119

Week 118 has not seen many changes at all, just some trimming of the Rotala and the Alternanthera. I didn't get around to do something about the HM hedge on the right front.

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Now this week I did find the time to trim the HM, and I added a few more bunches of Nana Petites to the layout. They are probably not in their final spots though as I did not have the time to think it through yet.

That's it,

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lol i remember this thread like 2 years ago when is topepd posting here.

good to see its still going.

edit, wut happened to taht other thread that was almsot as long as yours little fish??

his name was tetra tech or something. he had a 90 gal i think.
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LF,

Your tank is looking much less like a jungle and more like you are planning things out. I like it!

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Wings ...I agree ...looks much better . I still like to see the river/beach cleaned out . Would bring back the focus that the tank had a while ago.

Still the most beautifull tank I've seen at FP however .

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Weekly Tank Update - Weeks 120 and 121

Thanks folks for the input, saltnewbie - that was tetratech's tank, he moved on to better things, LOL.

Wings and Garry, thanks for the compliments!

Week 120 has seen no changes except a water change, here is the picture:

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During the current week I added some bunches of R. rotundifolia from the 40G as I had then left over after making more ground for the HC there.

I also removed a few plants from the open spot as they went to the NJAGC meeting with me for trades.

Here is the tank for now,

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Ingo ...Nearly ... just a bit more out of the beach . Looks fantastic as usual.

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l,il fish omg wow i have not been on the site in so long and just glanced back to see the tank now i can honestly say it has never looked better wow i wish i was you lol
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Weekly Tank Updates - Weeks 122 and 123

Garry and bratyboy2 - Thank you guys so much for the feedback!

Well, lots of nothing happened in the last two weeks, some minor trimming happened on the left section of the HM, and that was all last week. Here is the shot:

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And even less happened this weekend, LOL. As in: absolutely nothing, not even a water change (no time yet).

Here is the tank from this weekend,

Have fun,

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Ingo,

I really like the tank as it is (especially the A. reineckii spreading out). The only plant I would trim is the HM hedge in front if I am allowed to suggest.
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LF,

I haven't responded to your logs in a while though I do stop in pretty often.

Do you happen to have any tricks up your sleeve for growing Alternanthera reineckii. I got a few stems about a month ago and they don't seem to be doing really well yet. When I first got them the lost quite a few leaves. Now the new leaves are growing in pretty small. How long after a trim does it take for them to settle in?

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Weekly Tank Update - Weeks 124 and 125

Thanks catdancer and wings for the input. Some answers will follow, but upfront a word on A. reineckii:

I do not have a trick up my sleeve, sometimes mine grow well and sometimes they don't. I currently have a situation where difformed leaved stems grow side by side with beatiful stems, no idea why.

Update week 124:

Not much happened that week, the Rotala on the left grew way too tall and had to be trimmed. And while I was at it I gave the HM some haircut, but not too much.

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Then came this weekend, and I had a little more time available. I used it to re-organize most of the right side. Here is what I did:

Remove, trim, and replant all tops from the Alternanthera
Remove, trim, and replant all tops from the Lobelia cardinalis (small or normal form)
Remove, trim, and replant all HM on the right side of the tank
Remove, trim, and replant most of the Wisteria on the right side
Trim the Narrow leaf fern on the right side
Trim the Narrow leaf fern just a little on the main piece of wood
Trim the Pennywort on the main wood

Took quite a few hours, I have to say, as it also included a replacement of the head gasket on the 2028 which was leaking when the filter was turned off, an issue that some people already had as well. This of course also meant cleaning the filter itself, for the first time in months.

Here is the tank this weekend,

That's it,

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The side you got work done on looks fabulous! I know how long that HM can take to trim, remove, and replant. That's why I got into the habit of lawnmowering it. Looked horrible for two days, but I think it's a fair trade for the easy route.



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Im really impressed with this tank and some of the plants you have named off I am really impressed with and I think i am gonna have to go back and see what else you have added to this tank.....The question i do have is, could you give a detailed explanation on what you use to trim your tanks and some steps on how you achieve that or are those a LF Secret??? LOL

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Matty - yeah, I often use the hair cut method as well, but it is messy, in particular when having floating plants and a 125 where both arms are submersed to the arm pits,

In addition, after a few haircuts the bottom sections don't look all that good anymore.

fishmonster - Thanks for the compliments. What I use for trimming? A secret? No, not at all, but all plants need different styles of trimming, from simple cutting off stems to rhizome separation. All is common (aquatic) knowledge and can be read about on the web all over the place. Nothing special, for sure

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Nice job with the clean up of the right side. Also thanks for the info on your A. reineckii. I am getting some new leaves in on mine but they are way smaller than the ones that melted off when I got it. Maybe they just need more time to settle in.

Up to your arm pits? I so understand what you go through! My 55G is the stand I made for the old 40 long. Lets just say I have to stand on a chair and hunch over to take care of my ET. It's a pain but it's slowly paying off. Maybe someday I will get pictures of it.

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Ingo ...Nice job..the tank is looking as good as I've ever seen it . Well done .

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Thanks guys for the input and compliments!

Now I just need to find enough time to beautify the left side a little more, at least the HM needs the same routine than the one on the right had last weekend.

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Weekly Tank Updates - Weeks 126 and 127

Last week had seem the redo of most of the plants on the left side of the tank, similar to what I did the week before on the right side. It didn't take all that long though as less of a space needed to be handled.

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And this week the tank saw the final mayor trimming, this time it was the Rotala group on the left that was taken out and got the bottoms cut off before replanting.

I see already that the Alternanthera is getting to large again, so parts of the cycle will have to be repeated
Great!

That's it for now,

Have fun,

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That Anthera is looking awesome. Also after what you said about looking online i found the ADA toolset but they were waaay to expensive.. What reasons are there for using those tools??

Is the emphasis on this tank almost like a mountain range of plants so that there is a large peak in the middle then dips, smaller peaks to the side then dipping again. That is what i am seeing from this tank.



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Shane - Good tools go a long way in a planted tank, in particular good tweezers and scissors. But they don't have to be from ADA.

The tank has not seen any major changes for last weekend:

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And again no changes done for this weekend, except some minor glass cleaning for the NJAGC meeting.

That's it for now,

Have fun,

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Ingo ...looking spectacular as usual ...don't know if its the glass cleaning but thats the sharpist photo of this tank in some time .

I still think the beach / river needs more defination , but other than that the Alternanthera looks amazing and really gives this scape a fantastic lift . Still my favourite .


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Weekly Tank Update - Week 130

Thanks for the comments Garry,

I am not sure what I would like to do with the river in the medium run, it ends at the wood now anyway as the road to the back is blocked by Nana petites.

Workwise, the tank has seen the trimming of ONE stem of Alternanthera, now that is what I call convenient maintenance, LOL.

Here is the tank today,

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I am guessing that it is just the picture but the tank looks extra dark.

I am really quite surprised that this tank hasn't seen a make-over in quite a while. I guess you have been too busy with other things.

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Yes Wings, the tank is not really that dark, but having larger plants now then a few weeks back for sure makes a difference. and that is being picked up by the camera 10 fold.

Also, I still play with post-shot processing

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Yeah that was kind of my guess. I can't wait to see an updated picture. It has been quite a while. Hope all is well!!

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